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murchr
#521 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2014 3:22:58 AM
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New kid in the block 787 dreamliner landing soon, looks like the 777-300, interior. But I wish they'd cut the number and acquire 777-X too
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Ali Baba
#522 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2014 4:53:41 AM
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murchr wrote:
New kid in the block 787 dreamliner landing soon, looks like the 777-300, interior. But I wish they'd cut the number and acquire 777-X too

Why do you prefer a 777 to a dreamliner??Both are long range aircrafts,but dreamliner is lighter and consumes less fuel compared to a 777 guzzler....
Horton
#523 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2014 5:24:37 AM
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Ali Baba wrote:
murchr wrote:
New kid in the block 787 dreamliner landing soon, looks like the 777-300, interior. But I wish they'd cut the number and acquire 777-X too

Why do you prefer a 777 to a dreamliner??Both are long range aircrafts,but dreamliner is lighter and consumes less fuel compared to a 777 guzzler....


@murchr well done. Seems like u know about the B777X. The middle-eastern carriers have made a swoop on them. However, it's still a concept and they should be ready for commercial production in a few years. The b777x will carry the same number of pax as the B773 but 16% more fuel efficient than it's predecessor. The B787 is for different missions vs the B77X. Hopefully we will get a few in a few years to replace the B772s.

@alibaba he is talking of the new airplanes Boeing launched very recently. Coded as B777X
murchr
#524 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2014 6:08:20 AM
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Horton wrote:
Ali Baba wrote:
murchr wrote:
New kid in the block 787 dreamliner landing soon, looks like the 777-300, interior. But I wish they'd cut the number and acquire 777-X too

Why do you prefer a 777 to a dreamliner??Both are long range aircrafts,but dreamliner is lighter and consumes less fuel compared to a 777 guzzler....


@murchr well done. Seems like u know about the B777X. The middle-eastern carriers have made a swoop on them. However, it's still a concept and they should be ready for commercial production in a few years. The b777x will carry the same number of pax as the B773 but 16% more fuel efficient than it's predecessor. The B787 is for different missions vs the B77X. Hopefully we will get a few in a few years to replace the B772s.

@alibaba he is talking of the new airplanes Boeing launched very recently. Coded as B777X


Yea Qatar has ordered 50 while Emirates ordered 150. I consider the two the "real" competitors of African airlines. Hopefully KQ will place their order once they start receiving the 787s esp given that they will be in production for a while
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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VituVingiSana
#525 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2014 10:35:12 AM
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murchr wrote:
New kid in the block 787 dreamliner landing soon, looks like the 777-300, interior. But I wish they'd cut the number and acquire 777-X too
The 787s are being delivered. The 777-X will take some time before deliveries start. See the delays in the 787 delivery schedule. It's better to have a 777-300 today then not have any planes tomorrow!

KQ is using tired 767s while waiting for the 787s... And this has hurt them.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
tomtom
#526 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 4:35:47 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
murchr wrote:
New kid in the block 787 dreamliner landing soon, looks like the 777-300, interior. But I wish they'd cut the number and acquire 777-X too
The 787s are being delivered. The 777-X will take some time before deliveries start. See the delays in the 787 delivery schedule. It's better to have a 777-300 today then not have any planes tomorrow!

KQ is using tired 767s while waiting for the 787s... And this has hurt them.


More hiccups for 787
murchr
#527 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:13:15 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
murchr wrote:
New kid in the block 787 dreamliner landing soon, looks like the 777-300, interior. But I wish they'd cut the number and acquire 777-X too
The 787s are being delivered. The 777-X will take some time before deliveries start. See the delays in the 787 delivery schedule. It's better to have a 777-300 today then not have any planes tomorrow!

KQ is using tired 767s while waiting for the 787s... And this has hurt them.


773 is not as fuel efficient as 77X hence my preference to 77X and yes the 767 is a guzzler.

I wonder why KQ doesnt like the A380? I haven't heard any landing in Nrb either.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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VituVingiSana
#528 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:04:50 AM
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murchr wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
murchr wrote:
New kid in the block 787 dreamliner landing soon, looks like the 777-300, interior. But I wish they'd cut the number and acquire 777-X too
The 787s are being delivered. The 777-X will take some time before deliveries start. See the delays in the 787 delivery schedule. It's better to have a 777-300 today then not have any planes tomorrow!

KQ is using tired 767s while waiting for the 787s... And this has hurt them.


773 is not as fuel efficient as 77X hence my preference to 77X and yes the 767 is a guzzler.

I wonder why KQ doesnt like the A380? I haven't heard any landing in Nrb either.
KQ chose Boeing over Airbus years ago. And JKIA cannot handle A380.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Horton
#529 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:12:44 AM
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The A380 can't come to nbo due to infrastructure. They need a double air bridge and also pavement weight issues. Then again, it's pointless to "upgrade" facilities to accommodate the A380 as it's only Emirates that would bring in this "airline unpopular airplane" whose only lifeline seems to be the orders placed by emirates.

FYI we are getting 6 B787s, 2 B773s and 2 B738s. We also see off 2 ERJs. Personally, I reckon it's a huge step in the right direction. Now you will see proper synergies with the e-jets comprehensively covering East Africa while the B737 cover the rest of Africa. One thing to note, KQ upgraded Accra services to the B767 from the smaller B738 recently and it's a hit!

The routes are generally doing quite well from the ones I have seen.

FOR ALL THE KENYAN INVESTORS:With all these new acquisitions, I encourage Kenyans to patronize our HOME GROWN BRAND! Why go to other carriers and that money paid doesn't come back to the economy? PROUDLY KENYAN!
murchr
#530 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:37:13 PM
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Horton wrote:
The A380 can't come to nbo due to infrastructure. They need a double air bridge and also pavement weight issues. Then again, it's pointless to "upgrade" facilities to accommodate the A380 as it's only Emirates that would bring in this "airline unpopular airplane" whose only lifeline seems to be the orders placed by emirates.

FYI we are getting 6 B787s, 2 B773s and 2 B738s. We also see off 2 ERJs. Personally, I reckon it's a huge step in the right direction. Now you will see proper synergies with the e-jets comprehensively covering East Africa while the B737 cover the rest of Africa. One thing to note, KQ upgraded Accra services to the B767 from the smaller B738 recently and it's a hit!

The routes are generally doing quite well from the ones I have seen.

FOR ALL THE KENYAN INVESTORS:With all these new acquisitions, I encourage Kenyans to patronize our HOME GROWN BRAND! Why go to other carriers and that money paid doesn't come back to the economy? PROUDLY KENYAN!


Thank you now I get it
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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VituVingiSana
#531 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 4:19:34 PM
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Horton wrote:


FOR ALL THE KENYAN INVESTORS:With all these new acquisitions, I encourage Kenyans to patronize our HOME GROWN BRAND! Why go to other carriers and that money paid doesn't come back to the economy? PROUDLY KENYAN!
I was like you. Always picked KQ. Then I discovered better, cheaper airlines!
1) The food on Qatar is much better than KQ.
2) The stop in AMS is not as comfy [or cheap] as Doha or Abu Dhabi though KQ flew me to AUH for a connection flight on Etihad.
3) Turkish was substantially cheaper for me v Skyteam [not to mention the IFE was awesome IST-NBO and the food was very tasty!]
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Horton
#532 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 4:40:05 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:


FOR ALL THE KENYAN INVESTORS:With all these new acquisitions, I encourage Kenyans to patronize our HOME GROWN BRAND! Why go to other carriers and that money paid doesn't come back to the economy? PROUDLY KENYAN!
I was like you. Always picked KQ. Then I discovered better, cheaper airlines!
1) The food on Qatar is much better than KQ.
2) The stop in AMS is not as comfy [or cheap] as Doha or Abu Dhabi though KQ flew me to AUH for a connection flight on Etihad.
3) Turkish was substantially cheaper for me v Skyteam [not to mention the IFE was awesome IST-NBO and the food was very tasty!]


VVS from ur statements above, I see that u really like food 😄

WIth increased competition with the entry of SKYCHEFS, I brlieve good will get better. Infact, it has gotten better of late.

The B777 are being retro'd new IFEs.

The synergies are coming together and we should BE PROUD OF KQ.

Let me tell you about my first share purchase in KQ, it was in 2003 at an average of 7bob. Sold later at 84 a year or 2 later. Airline business is cyclical. KQ has already been to the valley, i now looking at the the trough.

We should proudly support a brand that makes us a different story compared to our neighbors. Apart from Kenya, Only Ethiopia, South Africa, Tunisia & Egypt can boast of such connectivity in Africa
mwekez@ji
#533 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:00:30 PM
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Mindspeak: Aly-Khan Satchu Hosts Kenya Airways CEO – Dr. Titus Naikuni, Jan. 25 2014 http://www.rich.co.ke/
Gordon Gekko
#534 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:15:23 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
murchr wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
murchr wrote:
New kid in the block 787 dreamliner landing soon, looks like the 777-300, interior. But I wish they'd cut the number and acquire 777-X too
The 787s are being delivered. The 777-X will take some time before deliveries start. See the delays in the 787 delivery schedule. It's better to have a 777-300 today then not have any planes tomorrow!

KQ is using tired 767s while waiting for the 787s... And this has hurt them.


773 is not as fuel efficient as 77X hence my preference to 77X and yes the 767 is a guzzler.

I wonder why KQ doesnt like the A380? I haven't heard any landing in Nrb either.
KQ chose Boeing over Airbus years ago. And JKIA cannot handle A380.


A380 also requires a facility near JKIA where it can land in the event JKIA was shut for any reason. Closest is Oliver Tambo, meaning they have to carry 4 hours extra fuel. (I don't know if Bole can handle A380). And also, can JKIA generate enough pax to make it a profit maker, and if so, which route?
Angelica _ann
#535 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:01:35 PM
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Del.
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Angelica _ann
#536 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:03:57 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
murchr wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
murchr wrote:
New kid in the block 787 dreamliner landing soon, looks like the 777-300, interior. But I wish they'd cut the number and acquire 777-X too
The 787s are being delivered. The 777-X will take some time before deliveries start. See the delays in the 787 delivery schedule. It's better to have a 777-300 today then not have any planes tomorrow!

KQ is using tired 767s while waiting for the 787s... And this has hurt them.


773 is not as fuel efficient as 77X hence my preference to 77X and yes the 767 is a guzzler.

I wonder why KQ doesnt like the A380? I haven't heard any landing in Nrb either.
KQ chose Boeing over Airbus years ago. And JKIA cannot handle A380.


A380 also requires a facility near JKIA where it can land in the event JKIA was shut for any reason. Closest is Oliver Tambo, meaning they have to carry 4 hours extra fuel. (I don't know if Bole can handle A380). And also, can JKIA generate enough pax to make it a profit maker, and if so, which route?


@GG, thought Ethiopia was building an airport that can handle A380-800 and it was commissioned in July 2013.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
VituVingiSana
#537 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:07:37 PM
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@GG the year round profitable route [full of pax] would be be Lagos - NBO - HKG ... the rest, I am not sure of!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Gordon Gekko
#538 Posted : Wednesday, January 22, 2014 8:07:22 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Gordon Gekko wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
murchr wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
murchr wrote:
New kid in the block 787 dreamliner landing soon, looks like the 777-300, interior. But I wish they'd cut the number and acquire 777-X too
The 787s are being delivered. The 777-X will take some time before deliveries start. See the delays in the 787 delivery schedule. It's better to have a 777-300 today then not have any planes tomorrow!

KQ is using tired 767s while waiting for the 787s... And this has hurt them.


773 is not as fuel efficient as 77X hence my preference to 77X and yes the 767 is a guzzler.

I wonder why KQ doesnt like the A380? I haven't heard any landing in Nrb either.
KQ chose Boeing over Airbus years ago. And JKIA cannot handle A380.


A380 also requires a facility near JKIA where it can land in the event JKIA was shut for any reason. Closest is Oliver Tambo, meaning they have to carry 4 hours extra fuel. (I don't know if Bole can handle A380). And also, can JKIA generate enough pax to make it a profit maker, and if so, which route?


@GG, thought Ethiopia was building an airport that can handle A380-800 and it was commissioned in July 2013.


@Angelica _ann, thanks. See my post again. Bole is the airport in Addis smile
Horton
#539 Posted : Wednesday, January 22, 2014 8:58:58 AM
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@GG alternate airport for A380, just requires PCN sufficient. Note that Entebbe can accommodate the An-225 and so can Nairobi. The only issue is the twin jet bridges for pax to plane/deplane.

But it's really only EK that could bring in a 380 so making it pointless to make the bridges.
VituVingiSana
#540 Posted : Wednesday, January 22, 2014 11:33:15 AM
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Though @Horton let's not confuse Investment vs "Patriotism" vs Value. And a glaring omission is the lack of ownership in KQ by KQ's Board, CEO, CFO, Pilots, Employees, etc
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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