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Mumias Sugar huge demand
poundfoolish
#301 Posted : Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:34:55 PM
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Three things for Mumias
1. Internal inefficiencies e.g bloated workforce, losses on farm inputs etc
2. Sugar cane poaching
3. These COMESA thing
4. Sugar barons

Sadly the last 2 are very political decisions... and the leaders from the area are not strong enough to push an agenda.

As mentioned above.. this is a highly speculative one. trend will be seen starting March 2nd.
Aguytrying
#302 Posted : Thursday, January 09, 2014 2:13:52 PM
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Why I'm buying mumias at 3.30-2.50.

Ever since Kdro left, mumias has been on a downward spiral. I've gone through this thread. when it was started mumias was at 6-8 bob. this was before the profit warning and 2b loss.
There are two people who know the truth about mumias here and you know them. you May know the obvious one but there's another one.

Anyway I'm buying mumias for the recovery. how do I know there will be a recovery?
the NAV is 9.00 bob. the company made a small loss last fy. yes small. compare with kq, kk. the issue was primarily lower cane deliveries and something one of the two said.
The recovery in profits began in H2 2012-2013 fy. cane deliveries according to KNBS(thanks Cde) have picked up in 2013 especially june onwards.

The management (I don't trust so much) are under fire from shareholders and kakamega religious leaders to leave office. what more motivation does one need. they have even vowed to return to profitability, they have to. or else. Ill join the religious leaders in having them out.

If cane deliveries are good and the miller is efficient it will turn a profit. good cane deliveries also improves the co-generation, ethanol production and water. all which are full fledged this fy.

Are there risks?
yes plenty. first of comesa safeguards lifting is impending in march.
The way I see it. its a threat ad well as an opportunity. cheap imports if not regulated will leave mumias with nowhere to sell the sugar it produces, something that happened last year to some extent.
Gov can't let mumias die. why? they recently injected 500m into the company. They were quoted as saying they can't let the company die under their watch. the company is responsible for the livelihood of many people in western kenya. the efforts in shielding the company are already being seen with new regulations about tightening registration of import companies and distribution.
one way or another mumias will thrive post comesa, even if not at its former glory.
omnicane a new entrant has taken a masive loan 10b shillings to start a miller in kenya a few months back. that tells you there's money to be made in sugar buisness, though they will grow their own cane. but still they are investing billions just before the safeguards are lifted. This safeguards thing may not be as debilitating as it is thought to be.

More risks. falling international sugar prices. causing millers to shut in brazil in India. basically there's oversupply of sugar in the world with cost of sugar lower than production cost. But mumias doesn't export sugar. the risk is that cheap sugar can be sold here and lower sugar prices here in Kenya. Mumias can also import sugar and sell it here, infact last year they imported 10,000 tones. its in the FY report for 2013. I need clarification on effect of low sugar prices on mumias sales. @thedeal. help.

Opportunity? yes . the smaller millers are unlikely to survive post safeguards and mumias should buy these firms out. infact its one of the conditions that warranted an extension. mumias is in the process of shifting its farmers to the fast maturing cane.
today I read that the vision 2030 1 million acre self irrigated farming project in kilfi, tana will have 300,000 acres dedicated to sugar. how I wish that can be under mumias somehow.

So, that's why im buying Mumias.

The cartoons according to senior chartist hisah point downwards, but i think we near the bottom.
On recovery I dont see any reason i cant sell this share at 10.00 in maybe 2-3 years.

Sugar gurus and other gurus please let me know your thoughts. Tu wazue pamoja
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
poundfoolish
#303 Posted : Thursday, January 09, 2014 3:17:30 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
Why I'm buying mumias at 3.30-2.50.

Ever since Kdro left, mumias has been on a downward spiral. I've gone through this thread. when it was started mumias was at 6-8 bob. this was before the profit warning and 2b loss.
There are two people who know the truth about mumias here and you know them. you May know the obvious one but there's another one.

Anyway I'm buying mumias for the recovery. how do I know there will be a recovery?
the NAV is 9.00 bob. the company made a small loss last fy. yes small. compare with kq, kk. the issue was primarily lower cane deliveries and something one of the two said.
The recovery in profits began in H2 2012-2013 fy. cane deliveries according to KNBS(thanks Cde) have picked up in 2013 especially june onwards.

The management (I don't trust so much) are under fire from shareholders and kakamega religious leaders to leave office. what more motivation does one need. they have even vowed to return to profitability, they have to. or else. Ill join the religious leaders in having them out.

If cane deliveries are good and the miller is efficient it will turn a profit. good cane deliveries also improves the co-generation, ethanol production and water. all which are full fledged this fy.

Are there risks?
yes plenty. first of comesa safeguards lifting is impending in march.
The way I see it. its a threat ad well as an opportunity. cheap imports if not regulated will leave mumias with nowhere to sell the sugar it produces, something that happened last year to some extent.
Gov can't let mumias die. why? they recently injected 500m into the company. They were quoted as saying they can't let the company die under their watch. the company is responsible for the livelihood of many people in western kenya. the efforts in shielding the company are already being seen with new regulations about tightening registration of import companies and distribution.
one way or another mumias will thrive post comesa, even if not at its former glory.
omnicane a new entrant has taken a masive loan 10b shillings to start a miller in kenya a few months back. that tells you there's money to be made in sugar buisness, though they will grow their own cane. but still they are investing billions just before the safeguards are lifted. This safeguards thing may not be as debilitating as it is thought to be.

More risks. falling international sugar prices. causing millers to shut in brazil in India. basically there's oversupply of sugar in the world with cost of sugar lower than production cost. But mumias doesn't export sugar. the risk is that cheap sugar can be sold here and lower sugar prices here in Kenya. Mumias can also import sugar and sell it here, infact last year they imported 10,000 tones. its in the FY report for 2013. I need clarification on effect of low sugar prices on mumias sales. @thedeal. help.

Opportunity? yes . the smaller millers are unlikely to survive post safeguards and mumias should buy these firms out. infact its one of the conditions that warranted an extension. mumias is in the process of shifting its farmers to the fast maturing cane.
today I read that the vision 2030 1 million acre self irrigated farming project in kilfi, tana will have 300,000 acres dedicated to sugar. how I wish that can be under mumias somehow.

So, that's why im buying Mumias.

The cartoons according to senior chartist hisah point downwards, but i think we near the bottom.
On recovery I dont see any reason i cant sell this share at 10.00 in maybe 2-3 years.

Sugar gurus and other gurus please let me know your thoughts. Tu wazue pamoja


I agree with almost everything you have mentioned.
Kidero used MSC to pocket the religious/political/admin leaders et al.. so the only political hope here is that they wouldn't like to see their 'cash cow' die.

There are those big pylons running from Mumias sugar company southwards towards Nyanza. Is it connected to the national grid? diversification?

With the low cane supply they had last year, how much KWatt did they pump into the national grid?

How is the water business fairing.
hisah
#304 Posted : Thursday, January 09, 2014 3:55:29 PM
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@aguy - Fundies look attractive for a recovery play; that's all I see for now, but as a speculative play. A lot of smoke and mirrors until gok comes up strong on the direction with action and not politricks...

TA still looks bearish and those vol spike in 2013 have just crashed the price - solid distribution (selling).

$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
murchr
#305 Posted : Thursday, January 09, 2014 4:05:41 PM
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Meanwhile some 'illegal' sugar was nabbed at the port this week
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Aguytrying
#306 Posted : Thursday, January 09, 2014 4:09:21 PM
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@pound. Revenue from electricity sales was 305m last FY down from 450m in 2011/12fy, water business made a profit also less than 100m, cant remember exact figure. However it was a starting business, so should do better this year.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Aguytrying
#307 Posted : Thursday, January 09, 2014 4:11:55 PM
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hisah wrote:
@aguy - Fundies look attractive for a recovery play; that's all I see for now, but as a speculative play. A lot of smoke and mirrors until gok comes up strong on the direction with action and not politricks...

TA still looks bearish and those vol spike in 2013 have just crashed the price - solid distribution (selling).



I hear you, do tell when TA charts become bullish. Meanwhile i be biting a piece of the sugary pie at a time.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Cde Monomotapa
#308 Posted : Thursday, January 09, 2014 6:24:00 PM
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Interesting smile As long as water is available, its distribution is a no-brainier; the sugar network is well established.
Aguytrying
#309 Posted : Thursday, January 09, 2014 7:06:59 PM
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murchr wrote:
Meanwhile some 'illegal' sugar was nabbed at the port this week


www.coastweek.com/3638-l...nsignment-from-egypt.htm
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mwekez@ji
#310 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2014 10:28:49 AM
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Sugar industry stakeholders to hold discussion tomorrow on key issuesKenya

Sugar industry stakeholders will tomorrow hold a meeting to discuss the expiry of the COMESA sugar import safeguards and subdued local sugar prices, among other industry issues. The import safeguards limit sugar imports from COMESA countries to 350,000 tonnes each year and are due to expire in March 2014. The expiry is expected to lead to an increase in cheaper sugar imports from COMESA countries that will undercut local sugar millers. The Government of Kenya aims to apply for a further extension of the COMESA import safeguard to give it more time to privatize 4 state-owned sugar millers to enable them compete more effectively with cheaper imports. Sugar industry stakeholders will also discuss declining prices of local sugar which have fallen 54.1% y/y to KES 3,600 per 50kg bag currently as a result of illegal sugar imports beyond the safeguard limit. (Source; Daily Nation, Kestrel Research)
Cde Monomotapa
#311 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:43:58 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
Sugar industry stakeholders to hold discussion tomorrow on key issuesKenya

Sugar industry stakeholders will tomorrow hold a meeting to discuss the expiry of the COMESA sugar import safeguards and subdued local sugar prices, among other industry issues. The import safeguards limit sugar imports from COMESA countries to 350,000 tonnes each year and are due to expire in March 2014. The expiry is expected to lead to an increase in cheaper sugar imports from COMESA countries that will undercut local sugar millers. The Government of Kenya aims to apply for a further extension of the COMESA import safeguard to give it more time to privatize 4 state-owned sugar millers to enable them compete more effectively with cheaper imports. Sugar industry stakeholders will also discuss declining prices of local sugar which have fallen 54.1% y/y to KES 3,600 per 50kg bag currently as a result of illegal sugar imports beyond the safeguard limit. (Source; Daily Nation, Kestrel Research)


Hoho...this should be interesting. Thanks. smile
Aguytrying
#312 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2014 2:08:53 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
Sugar industry stakeholders to hold discussion tomorrow on key issuesKenya

Sugar industry stakeholders will tomorrow hold a meeting to discuss the expiry of the COMESA sugar import safeguards and subdued local sugar prices, among other industry issues. The import safeguards limit sugar imports from COMESA countries to 350,000 tonnes each year and are due to expire in March 2014. The expiry is expected to lead to an increase in cheaper sugar imports from COMESA countries that will undercut local sugar millers. The Government of Kenya aims to apply for a further extension of the COMESA import safeguard to give it more time to privatize 4 state-owned sugar millers to enable them compete more effectively with cheaper imports. Sugar industry stakeholders will also discuss declining prices of local sugar which have fallen 54.1% y/y to KES 3,600 per 50kg bag currently as a result of illegal sugar imports beyond the safeguard limit. (Source; Daily Nation, Kestrel Research)


Hoho...this should be interesting. Thanks. smile


chants #save the sugar industry#
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Cde Monomotapa
#313 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:34:40 AM
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Aaand action! Mumias eyes cost-cutting to reverse Sh1.6bn loss

Mumias recently reduced the price at which it is buying cane from Sh3,825 per tonne to Sh3,385. Its rivals have also reduced their prices by between 11.5 per cent and 27 per cent in what is seen as signal of increased cane supply.

http://www.businessdaily...92/-/sepps/-/index.html
streetwise
#314 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:04:28 AM
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One day ..the story of Mumias may may become sugary..who remembers Mumias at ksh.64.00
Aguytrying
#315 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:34:11 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Aaand action! Mumias eyes cost-cutting to reverse Sh1.6bn loss

Mumias recently reduced the price at which it is buying cane from Sh3,825 per tonne to Sh3,385. Its rivals have also reduced their prices by between 11.5 per cent and 27 per cent in what is seen as signal of increased cane supply.

http://www.businessdaily...92/-/sepps/-/index.html


Bruv, are you in this bus or cheering from the sidelines.
If I get enough time I can get into 100,000 shares n above shareholders list.

half year results either this end month or the feb end month
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stockshunter
#316 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:09:19 AM
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am optimistic that the share will once return to it former glory, It would only take a statement from the government to see it rise from 3.20 to 5 if COMESA safe guards are extended or an elaborate plan is put in place to deal with the cheap sugar from COMESA members. The book values of 8.60 is too juicy form me, however the risk is equally high so am getting into the bus cautiously, slowly by slowly.
fear makes people live a miserable life.
mypesa
#317 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 12:11:13 PM
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Headed to sub 3 ..
Mumias is no longer sweet
Even In The Most Severe Drought In The Jungle Lions Will Never Feed On Grass.
poundfoolish
#318 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 12:11:54 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Aaand action! Mumias eyes cost-cutting to reverse Sh1.6bn loss

Mumias recently reduced the price at which it is buying cane from Sh3,825 per tonne to Sh3,385. Its rivals have also reduced their prices by between 11.5 per cent and 27 per cent in what is seen as signal of increased cane supply.

http://www.businessdaily...92/-/sepps/-/index.html


Bruv, are you in this bus or cheering from the sidelines.
If I get enough time I can get into 100,000 shares n above shareholders list.

half year results either this end month or the feb end month


I have my money on my mouth (or vise versa), and the stock is taking a beating ever since i bet on it.
but so are the others... HFCK and SCOM. :(
Ericsson
#319 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 12:13:59 PM
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Mumias should consider partnering with gava and build a sugar factory in the Galana-Kulalu irrigation scheme.
The government has said it intends to do value addition at the farm and this project may be a huge boost.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Cde Monomotapa
#320 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 12:14:29 PM
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stockshunter wrote:
am optimistic that the share will once return to it former glory, It would only take a statement from the government to see it rise from 3.20 to 5 if COMESA safe guards are extended or an elaborate plan is put in place to deal with the cheap sugar from COMESA members. The book values of 8.60 is too juicy for me, however the risk is equally high so am getting into the bus cautiously, slowly by slowly.


^Cc. @Aguy

ION, a possible solution to cane poaching? Brazil approves Sh7bn loan for sugarcane farmer tractors http://www.businessdaily...2/-/f5x0exz/-/index.html
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