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Sh5B NSSF Tassia II scandal..... a time to eat
jaggernaut
#21 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 3:07:44 PM
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washiku wrote:

Hiyo Rink umeweka....are you one of the grabbed land home owners that are set to benefit?
Ole Lenku
#22 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 3:10:52 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
McReggae wrote:
.....On the other hand Kazungu Kambi wants Atwoli invetigated for his interest in the Tassia project!!!!

Excellent, and the plot thickens...

I think Atwoli is right when he says that it is the home owners (those who grabbed the land and put up homes) who should put up the roads and sewer in the estate that they grabbed, not NSSF.

Of course, there is no reason why land grabbers should be rewarded at taxpayer's expense.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#23 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 3:12:47 PM
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I can't stand Atwoli.

Atwoli is part of the NSSF board that is collectively tasked with the institutions governance. If he sincerely disagrees with the boards decision and even has evidence of fraud, he should then resign and even give that evidence to the DPP. That is the way institutions are governed.

But his style of screaming like a madman in public and then returning to share a table and make joint decisions with people he is castigating is utter rubbish and should be discouraged.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
jaggernaut
#24 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 3:18:38 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
I can't stand Atwoli.

Atwoli is part of the NSSF board that is collectively tasked with the institutions governance. If he sincerely disagrees with the boards decision and even has evidence of fraud, he should then resign and even give that evidence to the DPP. That is the way institutions are governed.

But his style of screaming like a madman in public and then returning to share a table and make joint decisions with people he is castigating is utter rubbish and should be discouraged.

So you support this project where land grabbers go scot free and are then rewarded with public funds.
Ole Lenku
#25 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 3:20:46 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
I can't stand Atwoli.

Atwoli is part of the NSSF board that is collectively tasked with the institutions governance. If he sincerely disagrees with the boards decision and even has evidence of fraud, he should then resign and even give that evidence to the DPP. That is the way institutions are governed.

But his style of screaming like a madman in public and then returning to share a table and make joint decisions with people he is castigating is utter rubbish and should be discouraged.

If you read the article, he was away when the tender was awarded. Besides,what makes you think he has not given the information he has to the DPP. Stop embarassing yourself by missing the elephant in the room. People that expose such deals help the country and should be encouraged not vilified.
Swenani
#26 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 3:31:10 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Tassia two already has the sewer lines in place through the individual efforts,they only need the roads

Is this the NSSF land that was grabbed and individuals put up homes, and were then required to pay NSSF for the land?


Yes
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Swenani
#27 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 3:34:27 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
I can't stand Atwoli.

Atwoli is part of the NSSF board that is collectively tasked with the institutions governance. If he sincerely disagrees with the boards decision and even has evidence of fraud, he should then resign and even give that evidence to the DPP. That is the way institutions are governed.

But his style of screaming like a madman in public and then returning to share a table and make joint decisions with people he is castigating is utter rubbish and should be discouraged.

So you support this project where land grabbers go scot free and are then rewarded with public funds.


The current owners are not the grabbers.The grabbers subdivided the land and sold to the current owners.The current owners were forced to again buy from NSSF.

Isnt that enough punishment?
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Obi 1 Kanobi
#28 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 3:39:17 PM
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Ole Lenku wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
I can't stand Atwoli.

Atwoli is part of the NSSF board that is collectively tasked with the institutions governance. If he sincerely disagrees with the boards decision and even has evidence of fraud, he should then resign and even give that evidence to the DPP. That is the way institutions are governed.

But his style of screaming like a madman in public and then returning to share a table and make joint decisions with people he is castigating is utter rubbish and should be discouraged.

If you read the article, he was away when the tender was awarded. Besides,what makes you think he has not given the information he has to the DPP. Stop embarassing yourself by missing the elephant in the room. People that expose such deals help the country and should be encouraged not vilified.


@Ole Lenku, I think you don't understand the way organisations work (including public). Let me help you by answering your shallow points above:

he was away when the tender was awarded

I am sure a tender for 5 billion cannot be awarded at one board sitting, the process takes very long, besides the public procurement Act does not allow the board to select and award tenders, that is done by the tender committee which cannot by law include board members.

what makes you think he has not given the information he has to the DPP

I am assuming he has not given the evidence to the DPP because he has not said so

Stop embarassing yourself by missing the elephant in the room

I hope my clarifictions have now cleared my embarassmentLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

People that expose such deals help the country and should be encouraged not vilified

Atwoli has expose nothing and thats my beef with him, he has gone about it the wrong way, he has not told us anything substantial aside from the fact that he was not there and that the cost was 5B

@Jaggernaut

I am not supporting this project, all I am saying is that Atwoli is going about it the wrong way, there is a way to give the public meaningful information so that we can assess whether there is corruption or no corruption.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
jaggernaut
#29 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 3:45:29 PM
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Swenani wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
I can't stand Atwoli.

Atwoli is part of the NSSF board that is collectively tasked with the institutions governance. If he sincerely disagrees with the boards decision and even has evidence of fraud, he should then resign and even give that evidence to the DPP. That is the way institutions are governed.

But his style of screaming like a madman in public and then returning to share a table and make joint decisions with people he is castigating is utter rubbish and should be discouraged.

So you support this project where land grabbers go scot free and are then rewarded with public funds.


The current owners are not the grabbers.The grabbers subdivided the land and sold to the current owners.The current owners were forced to again buy from NSSF.

Isnt that enough punishment?


So you buy a stolen car, then owner finds you with it and decides to sell it you, then he has to fit new tyres etc....at 5B.......doesn't make any sense.
Ole Lenku
#30 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 3:50:06 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
I can't stand Atwoli.

Atwoli is part of the NSSF board that is collectively tasked with the institutions governance. If he sincerely disagrees with the boards decision and even has evidence of fraud, he should then resign and even give that evidence to the DPP. That is the way institutions are governed.

But his style of screaming like a madman in public and then returning to share a table and make joint decisions with people he is castigating is utter rubbish and should be discouraged.

If you read the article, he was away when the tender was awarded. Besides,what makes you think he has not given the information he has to the DPP. Stop embarassing yourself by missing the elephant in the room. People that expose such deals help the country and should be encouraged not vilified.


@Ole Lenku, I think you don't understand the way organisations work (including public). Let me help you by answering your shallow points above:

he was away when the tender was awarded

I am sure a tender for 5 billion cannot be awarded at one board sitting, the process takes very long, besides the public procurement Act does not allow the board to select and award tenders, that is done by the tender committee which cannot by law include board members.

what makes you think he has not given the information he has to the DPP

I am assuming he has not given the evidence to the DPP because he has not said so

Stop embarassing yourself by missing the elephant in the room

I hope my clarifictions have now cleared my embarassmentLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

People that expose such deals help the country and should be encouraged not vilified

Atwoli has expose nothing and thats my beef with him, he has gone about it the wrong way, he has not told us anything substantial aside from the fact that he was not there and that the cost was 5B

@Jaggernaut

I am not supporting this project, all I am saying is that Atwoli is going about it the wrong way, there is a way to give the public meaningful information so that we can assess whether there is corruption or no corruption.

My friend I understand more than you think. Get off your high horse and stop thinking you are the only knowledgeable wazuan. I am actually a member of a tender committee and I am well versed with the PPOA. Going to the media is how the following scandals were exposed Anglo LEASING, NHIF, Kazi kwa Vijana and DeLarue. After someone raises the flag,then an investigation is done.
I find it strange that instead of calling for an investigation, your instinct is to blame Atwoli.
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