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Uhuru the Peace Maker?
sheri
#61 Posted : Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:51:41 PM
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nakujua wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
McReggae wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
McReggae wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
The many Luos living in Thika should be very grateful to UK. He came round and calmed the angry residents, and no one was touched! Unfortunately, the kangaroo court can come around n use this as evidence of "how influential" UK was back then. Its simply one centre for supreme absurdity and grand insanity.

The moment this ICC bug is dead n buried I shall be one peaceful man. The trauma of the PEV I have it to date still very fresh, and when I see fellows right here in wazua attempting the same 2007 tricks I lose it. I lost friends n family, as we are rather spread out accross the country. I did some state duties in western during the thick of things in Jan 07, Traversing the volatile south n north rift, thru kisumu to katch, witnessing all the mayhem, bloodletting, property destruction, insults, ethnic profiling.

Trucks upon trucks of IDPs in Subukia, Nyahururu, Naivasha, Nyeri, Thika, Kiambu, Nakuru. .....It was a tinderbox, and a retaliation was more than CERTAIN. It doesn't require any planning or incitement for SCARED, ANGRY DESPERATE people to go baserk. And on 26th, crap hit the fan. Followed immediately by calls for peace! What a tragedy! You call for peace when "my" people are attacked? While all along the song had been "No PEACE without justice" when "THESE PEOPLE" were being butchered, raped, sodomised, infected with HIV and "being taught a lesson"?

Who were these victims we keep hearing about? I roughly estimate more than 70% of direct PEV victims voted uhuruto, so whose justice is the kangaroo court seeking? Does this court ever reckon that millions of indirect victims like myself, also require justice?

In my mind, one critical personality escaped Ocampo, largely coz of his position then, and his underhand connections with the evil societies n the West~expunging his name completely from all reports. And with that, ICC made the biggest mistake. ...deviding a polarized state further, driving it closer n closer to the bottomless pit of chaos n instability, and appearing to victimise the target community of 2007. Eti mzungu ni mungu so tumuabudu, my jigger foot!



I am sorry for your predicaments but the harsh truth of the reality is that the ICC operates differently. The single most question being "Was there a pre planned attempt to displace, kill or maim a certain group of people be it by tribe, creed, race or religion?"

That is the question the ICC ask.. once there is a sniff of that, they pounce
Sadly the young men are carrying the burden of departed old men.. they were promised to be head of their communities.. and they are..


That is why ODM was keen to shout that chaos in its zones were spontaneous.. sadly those in Naivasha,and larger Rift Valley, as you have insinuated somewhere in your long rant were pre planned.. hence the ICC
ODM was also smart to call for mass action.. Mass action does not mean chaos, infact its a democratic right.. Though what they actually ment when calling for Mass action was 'cause chaos'to give them some bargaining ground.

So your pedestrian thinking of mass action = war and an eye for an eye stopped the mayhem is nothing but a selfish human nature keenly observed in Africans (sorry to say, Helmet in place)

Hasira zako hazitakusaidia.. but sleep in peace.. the dynamic duo will be set free

but after that sleep in fear again because once they are out of the scene Keter will have waited his 20years and he shall remind 'his people' how they were kept out of the railway deal..

now forgive forget and move on... I did


Very well said....I still remember how we shipped guys from Thika and other Nairobi environs, and when they came for them hawakuwa ndio wakaendea wale wa naivasha who assummed Naivasha was cosmopolitan and would be safe!!!!


Jahman, did u ship all of them?
Poundfoolish, your insults were very much expected, thank you.


What I know is that by the time the revenge attacks started most had shipped out!!!


A good number stayed on! And I thank God for the restraint.

during that time I was living in a place called banana in kiambu and constantly shuffling between there and kiambu town via laini - kanunga, there was talk of attacks and it was very tense especially hapo around nazareth hspital but I did not witness any violence.

@Nakujua, Banana Laini Kiambaa Kanunga was peaceful but limuru was a bit different because of IDPs coming from nakuru.
Gordon Gekko
#62 Posted : Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:09:57 PM
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poundfoolish wrote:

This killings were not done by Mungiki or tribal warriors.. this deaths were in urban centres (Nairobi and Kisumu) and done by police who are tribeless.



My 2 uganda shillings. I suspect Kisumu was orchestrated by forces from a neighbour. Hence why that cattle owner is always rabidly ranting against the ICC because he knows that when the evidence checks in he will be in serious funk.
tycho
#63 Posted : Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:29:42 PM
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One can't make peace without war. So if Uhuru is a peacemaker then he must have a war record to prove it. This whole matter of people dying is politics. So is ICC.

Whether the people listened to Uhuru and refrained from hacking each other translates to peace making is a moot question. For example, he could be powerful enough to escalate violence on one end of the country and peace on another. Or, though there was no physical violence, he couldn't go deeper and resolve the political seeds that caused the violence, even when it was in his power to do so.

For me, the president can only be a peace maker if he can lead the country in taking a candid look at the politics of 2007 and in extension, Kenyan politics, and conduce national, and international healing.

So far, I see evidence that the president is treading on a very thin line. For example. The other day I saw some newspapers talking of our government making provisions of deployment of foreign police in our nation state. Even today I saw something about it on the standard. If the stories are true, then I can only imagine how the citizen is regarded by the government. It creates an impression of lack of trust and brotherhood amongst us. Can these thoughts promote peace? I doubt it.

But all this is happening because as citizens we don't also want to be honest. We want to shift blame, in our individual and tribal quest for power.

No one wants to surrender, yet surrender is the way to go.
simonkabz
#64 Posted : Wednesday, December 18, 2013 5:12:54 PM
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tycho wrote:
One can't make peace without war. So if Uhuru is a peacemaker then he must have a war record to prove it. This whole matter of people dying is politics. So is ICC.

Whether the people listened to Uhuru and refrained from hacking each other translates to peace making is a moot question. For example, he could be powerful enough to escalate violence on one end of the country and peace on another. Or, though there was no physical violence, he couldn't go deeper and resolve the political seeds that caused the violence, even when it was in his power to do so.

For me, the president can only be a peace maker if he can lead the country in taking a candid look at the politics of 2007 and in extension, Kenyan politics, and conduce national, and international healing.

So far, I see evidence that the president is treading on a very thin line. For example. The other day I saw some newspapers talking of our government making provisions of deployment of foreign police in our nation state. Even today I saw something about it on the standard. If the stories are true, then I can only imagine how the citizen is regarded by the government. It creates an impression of lack of trust and brotherhood amongst us. Can these thoughts promote peace? I doubt it.

But all this is happening because as citizens we don't also want to be honest. We want to shift blame, in our individual and tribal quest for power.

No one wants to surrender, yet surrender is the way to go.


Well said. And the truth is quickly dismissed as pedestrain.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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