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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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poundfoolish wrote:TAZ wrote:poundfoolish wrote:
That is why ODM was keen to shout that chaos in its zones were spontaneous.. sadly those in Naivasha,and larger Rift Valley, as you have insinuated somewhere in your long rant were pre planned.. hence the ICC
ODM was also smart to call for mass action.. Mass action does not mean chaos, infact its a democratic right.. Though what they actually ment when calling for Mass action was 'cause chaos'to give them some bargaining ground.
 Use of Coded language, isn't that what Sang is being accused of but ikifika kwa wengine its being "smart".... That is why Sang is there... Wengine ni kina nani? Allow me to quote Njung'e before he lost the "'" Somebody said the sheep is fat, he did not say the sheep needs to be slaughtered.. Those who went to slaughter it shauri yao.. the lady from Gichugu was very keen to remind the then Arap milosovic how the chaos in the Rift was not spontaneous but preplanned, with evidence of plans going as far as 6 months before elections and it was come win or loss madoa doa lazima itolewe. The happenings in Naivasha were also well organised, well executed... and infact people were happy to praise the prince for planning such so as to stop the mayhem. Simonkabz comes here with his directed anger at an entire tribe due to one individual with some sort of selective amnesia or hypocrisy mentioning Luos in Thika.. the problem then was not Luo vs Kikuyu it was largely Kalenjin vs Kikuyu and the truth of the matter is.. there are very few Kalenjins in Central, those who reside there had left and yes people not from Central kenya were threatened, evicted and some killed, but like Kisumu this acts were spontaneous just as they were in Kisumu. I am no luo but the highest no. of deaths during the PEV's even before the ceasefire were Luos followed by Luhyas This killings were not done by Mungiki or tribal warriors.. this deaths were in urban centres (Nairobi and Kisumu) and done by police who are tribeless. You like spinning theories out of facts to suit your bloated ego but isokei. I'm very ok with my post, I wrote what I saw. Can you point out any untruth in my post n counter with hard, contrary facts? Which community have I hated? Luos camped at the municipal stadium n were actually fed by their kikuyu neighbours. Unapenda tu kupingapinga kila kitu, what for? What exactly has irked you do much in my post? TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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B.Timer wrote:seppuku wrote:seppuku wrote:B.Timer wrote:Shak wrote:It is said that during one of the many fund raisers he attended at the height of pev he was overheard saying 'we need to do something about these guys attacking our people' in vernacular. This is rumour though not fact Na hiyo mikutano ilikuwa itwa aje! Burying of heads in the sand isnt the way to go! The thing is, at the time, I was and still am persuaded that something had to give to stop the mayhem.The 'Assy' nature of the law though is that the belligerent and the retaliator are lumped together! What you say is politically incorrect, grossly so. But it is difficult to argue against, especially because the government of the day didn't inspire much confidence in its ability to stymie the mess early on. That is precisely how civil wars begin. But some will also say that the original aggression was stealing the election. I think there is guilt at many levels, in spite of my Sunday school teacher's assertion that there is no sin and mini-sin. Anybody who, before the election, planned to harm another if they lost (or maybe even if they won) the election is by far the guiltiest of the lot. In my book, stealing the election would closely follow in order of sinfulness. Thereafter would come the man who met violent aggression with immediate violent retaliation, without exploring any peaceful means whatsoever. As for he who resorted to violent retaliation after exhausting all peaceful alternatives, I say they too are guilty, but in a manslaughter-vs-cold-blood-murder kind of way. But then there is the important question of what constitutes "exhausting all peaceful alternatives". My lay "judgement". We kind of share perspectives. Leave the Sunday school Teacher out of this, certain aspects of life require pragmatism as opposed to arm-chair pontifications. Interesting post. But about that little theory of stolen elections......last I heard, there was big time stuffing of ballot boxes in nyanza resulting in crazy "turnout". So who stole elections? TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:poundfoolish wrote:TAZ wrote:poundfoolish wrote:
That is why ODM was keen to shout that chaos in its zones were spontaneous.. sadly those in Naivasha,and larger Rift Valley, as you have insinuated somewhere in your long rant were pre planned.. hence the ICC
ODM was also smart to call for mass action.. Mass action does not mean chaos, infact its a democratic right.. Though what they actually ment when calling for Mass action was 'cause chaos'to give them some bargaining ground.
Use of Coded language, isn't that what Sang is being accused of but ikifika kwa wengine its being "smart".... That is why Sang is there... Wengine ni kina nani? Allow me to quote Njung'e before he lost the "'" Somebody said the sheep is fat, he did not say the sheep needs to be slaughtered.. Those who went to slaughter it shauri yao.. the lady from Gichugu was very keen to remind the then Arap milosovic how the chaos in the Rift was not spontaneous but preplanned, with evidence of plans going as far as 6 months before elections and it was come win or loss madoa doa lazima itolewe. The happenings in Naivasha were also well organised, well executed... and infact people were happy to praise the prince for planning such so as to stop the mayhem. Simonkabz comes here with his directed anger at an entire tribe due to one individual with some sort of selective amnesia or hypocrisy mentioning Luos in Thika.. the problem then was not Luo vs Kikuyu it was largely Kalenjin vs Kikuyu and the truth of the matter is.. there are very few Kalenjins in Central, those who reside there had left and yes people not from Central kenya were threatened, evicted and some killed, but like Kisumu this acts were spontaneous just as they were in Kisumu. I am no luo but the highest no. of deaths during the PEV's even before the ceasefire were Luos followed by Luhyas This killings were not done by Mungiki or tribal warriors.. this deaths were in urban centres (Nairobi and Kisumu) and done by police who are tribeless. You like spinning theories out of facts to suit your bloated ego but isokei. I'm very ok with my post, I wrote what I saw. Can you point out any untruth in my post n counter with hard, contrary facts? Which community have I hated? Luos camped at the municipal stadium n were actually fed by their kikuyu neighbours. Unapenda tu kupingapinga kila kitu, what for? What exactly has irked you do much in my post? Spinning theories out of facts?? HUH!!! take care of your 6 years anger.. then you shall see where we are headed in the next 20... We shall be burying more family. Fact, the people who had camped at the stadium had received warnings from their Kikuyu friends of retaliations by 'Mungiki'.. Who had organised the retaliation gangs? or was it also spontaneous? People just like telling their side of the story and conveniently forgetting the other bit of the story. to defend their own.. protect their own.. direct their anger into something as a panacea to what they cannot solve.. No apologies Simon. we were all heart, we faced machetes some bullets.. some were burnt.. and some of those have moved on (im talking of the Naivasha guy who lost an entire family) some of the Kiambaa church victims.. Let me ask you Simon.. have you ever been pulled out of a vehicle and asked to hold your ID and if you are from the 'wrong tribe' to say your last prayers? have you ever walked to work and seen decapitated bodies of neighbours lying on the road? Have you ever paid protection fees to milita and dreaded they shall either come knocking at your door next. If remember well, your worst was getting calls from desperate relatives asking for help. Wacha hasira za kujipandisia.. if you have, you would learn justice and forgiveness is a much better liberating thing than revenge.. its a bad vicious cycle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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McReggae wrote:simonkabz wrote:McReggae wrote:poundfoolish wrote:simonkabz wrote:The many Luos living in Thika should be very grateful to UK. He came round and calmed the angry residents, and no one was touched! Unfortunately, the kangaroo court can come around n use this as evidence of "how influential" UK was back then. Its simply one centre for supreme absurdity and grand insanity.
The moment this ICC bug is dead n buried I shall be one peaceful man. The trauma of the PEV I have it to date still very fresh, and when I see fellows right here in wazua attempting the same 2007 tricks I lose it. I lost friends n family, as we are rather spread out accross the country. I did some state duties in western during the thick of things in Jan 07, Traversing the volatile south n north rift, thru kisumu to katch, witnessing all the mayhem, bloodletting, property destruction, insults, ethnic profiling.
Trucks upon trucks of IDPs in Subukia, Nyahururu, Naivasha, Nyeri, Thika, Kiambu, Nakuru. .....It was a tinderbox, and a retaliation was more than CERTAIN. It doesn't require any planning or incitement for SCARED, ANGRY DESPERATE people to go baserk. And on 26th, crap hit the fan. Followed immediately by calls for peace! What a tragedy! You call for peace when "my" people are attacked? While all along the song had been "No PEACE without justice" when "THESE PEOPLE" were being butchered, raped, sodomised, infected with HIV and "being taught a lesson"?
Who were these victims we keep hearing about? I roughly estimate more than 70% of direct PEV victims voted uhuruto, so whose justice is the kangaroo court seeking? Does this court ever reckon that millions of indirect victims like myself, also require justice?
In my mind, one critical personality escaped Ocampo, largely coz of his position then, and his underhand connections with the evil societies n the West~expunging his name completely from all reports. And with that, ICC made the biggest mistake. ...deviding a polarized state further, driving it closer n closer to the bottomless pit of chaos n instability, and appearing to victimise the target community of 2007. Eti mzungu ni mungu so tumuabudu, my jigger foot! I am sorry for your predicaments but the harsh truth of the reality is that the ICC operates differently. The single most question being "Was there a pre planned attempt to displace, kill or maim a certain group of people be it by tribe, creed, race or religion?" That is the question the ICC ask.. once there is a sniff of that, they pounce Sadly the young men are carrying the burden of departed old men.. they were promised to be head of their communities.. and they are.. That is why ODM was keen to shout that chaos in its zones were spontaneous.. sadly those in Naivasha,and larger Rift Valley, as you have insinuated somewhere in your long rant were pre planned.. hence the ICC ODM was also smart to call for mass action.. Mass action does not mean chaos, infact its a democratic right.. Though what they actually ment when calling for Mass action was 'cause chaos'to give them some bargaining ground. So your pedestrian thinking of mass action = war and an eye for an eye stopped the mayhem is nothing but a selfish human nature keenly observed in Africans (sorry to say, Helmet in place) Hasira zako hazitakusaidia.. but sleep in peace.. the dynamic duo will be set free but after that sleep in fear again because once they are out of the scene Keter will have waited his 20years and he shall remind 'his people' how they were kept out of the railway deal.. now forgive forget and move on... I did Very well said....I still remember how we shipped guys from Thika and other Nairobi environs, and when they came for them hawakuwa ndio wakaendea wale wa naivasha who assummed Naivasha was cosmopolitan and would be safe!!!! Jahman, did u ship all of them? Poundfoolish, your insults were very much expected, thank you. What I know is that by the time the revenge attacks started most had shipped out!!! A good number stayed on! And I thank God for the restraint. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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. The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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seppuku wrote:I don't mean to open old wounds, but I stumbled upon this video on YouTube of Uhuru apparently beseeching angry members of his community to maintain peace at the height of post election violence. He pleads with them, earnestly, not to fall into their enemies schemes by retaliating and therefore justifying their (enemies') violence. That they must maintain peace no matter what. He also promises that those who have been displaced will be resettled back in their land, and that their captors will be brought to book - one day - before the whole world. There are many things I find interesting about this video. 1) That it was only recently uploaded on YouTube (Oct. 28, 2013) 2) That it was not (to my knowledge) published by mainstream media, in spite of the fact that at least two of their mics is visible in the video. 3) That it has attracted only 45 views and no comments since. It's a short time I know, but I find the video profound. 4) That a man who apparently spoke so passionately to "his people" against violence is the one now accused of perpetrating it. 5) That his deputy and political ally is accused of the exact same thing but was on the opposite side of the political divide at the time. Makes me wonder what the two really THINK OF and BELIEVE ABOUT each other. A part of me wants to admire the man for his words in this video, another part rather smells a rat. What do you folks think. DISCLAIMER: Post made in utmost good faith. Please no hating or bigotry (ethnic or otherwise). [MOST OF THE VIDEO IN VERNACULAR BUT TRANSLATION IS PROVIDED] this is very very very old news. Its not the only video of o the net. i used to live in Kikuyu when this happened. it was in Jan 2007 kyuks had started calling for Luos to be fukuzwad. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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here is an older video with Mics etc. NTV had the old logo. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/11/2010 Posts: 918
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masukuma wrote:seppuku wrote:I don't mean to open old wounds, but I stumbled upon this video on YouTube of Uhuru apparently beseeching angry members of his community to maintain peace at the height of post election violence. He pleads with them, earnestly, not to fall into their enemies schemes by retaliating and therefore justifying their (enemies') violence. That they must maintain peace no matter what. He also promises that those who have been displaced will be resettled back in their land, and that their captors will be brought to book - one day - before the whole world. There are many things I find interesting about this video. 1) That it was only recently uploaded on YouTube (Oct. 28, 2013) 2) That it was not (to my knowledge) published by mainstream media, in spite of the fact that at least two of their mics is visible in the video. 3) That it has attracted only 45 views and no comments since. It's a short time I know, but I find the video profound. 4) That a man who apparently spoke so passionately to "his people" against violence is the one now accused of perpetrating it. 5) That his deputy and political ally is accused of the exact same thing but was on the opposite side of the political divide at the time. Makes me wonder what the two really THINK OF and BELIEVE ABOUT each other. A part of me wants to admire the man for his words in this video, another part rather smells a rat. What do you folks think. DISCLAIMER: Post made in utmost good faith. Please no hating or bigotry (ethnic or otherwise). [MOST OF THE VIDEO IN VERNACULAR BUT TRANSLATION IS PROVIDED] this is very very very old news. Its not the only video of o the net. i used to live in Kikuyu when this happened. it was in Jan 2007 kyuks had started calling for Luos to be fukuzwad. Who the hell dared say it was new news Masukuma? I am willing to personally pull out their molars. Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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simonkabz wrote:McReggae wrote:simonkabz wrote:McReggae wrote:poundfoolish wrote:simonkabz wrote:The many Luos living in Thika should be very grateful to UK. He came round and calmed the angry residents, and no one was touched! Unfortunately, the kangaroo court can come around n use this as evidence of "how influential" UK was back then. Its simply one centre for supreme absurdity and grand insanity.
The moment this ICC bug is dead n buried I shall be one peaceful man. The trauma of the PEV I have it to date still very fresh, and when I see fellows right here in wazua attempting the same 2007 tricks I lose it. I lost friends n family, as we are rather spread out accross the country. I did some state duties in western during the thick of things in Jan 07, Traversing the volatile south n north rift, thru kisumu to katch, witnessing all the mayhem, bloodletting, property destruction, insults, ethnic profiling.
Trucks upon trucks of IDPs in Subukia, Nyahururu, Naivasha, Nyeri, Thika, Kiambu, Nakuru. .....It was a tinderbox, and a retaliation was more than CERTAIN. It doesn't require any planning or incitement for SCARED, ANGRY DESPERATE people to go baserk. And on 26th, crap hit the fan. Followed immediately by calls for peace! What a tragedy! You call for peace when "my" people are attacked? While all along the song had been "No PEACE without justice" when "THESE PEOPLE" were being butchered, raped, sodomised, infected with HIV and "being taught a lesson"?
Who were these victims we keep hearing about? I roughly estimate more than 70% of direct PEV victims voted uhuruto, so whose justice is the kangaroo court seeking? Does this court ever reckon that millions of indirect victims like myself, also require justice?
In my mind, one critical personality escaped Ocampo, largely coz of his position then, and his underhand connections with the evil societies n the West~expunging his name completely from all reports. And with that, ICC made the biggest mistake. ...deviding a polarized state further, driving it closer n closer to the bottomless pit of chaos n instability, and appearing to victimise the target community of 2007. Eti mzungu ni mungu so tumuabudu, my jigger foot! I am sorry for your predicaments but the harsh truth of the reality is that the ICC operates differently. The single most question being "Was there a pre planned attempt to displace, kill or maim a certain group of people be it by tribe, creed, race or religion?" That is the question the ICC ask.. once there is a sniff of that, they pounce Sadly the young men are carrying the burden of departed old men.. they were promised to be head of their communities.. and they are.. That is why ODM was keen to shout that chaos in its zones were spontaneous.. sadly those in Naivasha,and larger Rift Valley, as you have insinuated somewhere in your long rant were pre planned.. hence the ICC ODM was also smart to call for mass action.. Mass action does not mean chaos, infact its a democratic right.. Though what they actually ment when calling for Mass action was 'cause chaos'to give them some bargaining ground. So your pedestrian thinking of mass action = war and an eye for an eye stopped the mayhem is nothing but a selfish human nature keenly observed in Africans (sorry to say, Helmet in place) Hasira zako hazitakusaidia.. but sleep in peace.. the dynamic duo will be set free but after that sleep in fear again because once they are out of the scene Keter will have waited his 20years and he shall remind 'his people' how they were kept out of the railway deal.. now forgive forget and move on... I did Very well said....I still remember how we shipped guys from Thika and other Nairobi environs, and when they came for them hawakuwa ndio wakaendea wale wa naivasha who assummed Naivasha was cosmopolitan and would be safe!!!! Jahman, did u ship all of them? Poundfoolish, your insults were very much expected, thank you. What I know is that by the time the revenge attacks started most had shipped out!!! A good number stayed on! And I thank God for the restraint. during that time I was living in a place called banana in kiambu and constantly shuffling between there and kiambu town via laini - kanunga, there was talk of attacks and it was very tense especially hapo around nazareth hspital but I did not witness any violence.
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