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B.Timer wrote:Shak wrote:It is said that during one of the many fund raisers he attended at the height of pev he was overheard saying 'we need to do something about these guys attacking our people' in vernacular. This is rumour though not fact Na hiyo mikutano ilikuwa itwa aje! Burying of heads in the sand isnt the way to go! The thing is, at the time, I was and still am persuaded that something had to give to stop the mayhem.The 'Assy' nature of the law though is that the belligerent and the retaliator are lumped together! What you say is politically incorrect, grossly so. But it is difficult to argue against, especially because the government of the day didn't inspire much confidence in its ability to stymie the mess early on. That is precisely how civil wars begin. Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/11/2010 Posts: 918
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seppuku wrote:B.Timer wrote:Shak wrote:It is said that during one of the many fund raisers he attended at the height of pev he was overheard saying 'we need to do something about these guys attacking our people' in vernacular. This is rumour though not fact Na hiyo mikutano ilikuwa itwa aje! Burying of heads in the sand isnt the way to go! The thing is, at the time, I was and still am persuaded that something had to give to stop the mayhem.The 'Assy' nature of the law though is that the belligerent and the retaliator are lumped together! What you say is politically incorrect, grossly so. But it is difficult to argue against, especially because the government of the day didn't inspire much confidence in its ability to stymie the mess early on. That is precisely how civil wars begin. But some will also say that the original aggression was stealing the election. I think there is guilt at many levels, in spite of my Sunday school teacher's assertion that there is no sin and mini-sin. Anybody who, before the election, planned to harm another if they lost (or maybe even if they won) the election is by far the guiltiest of the lot. In my book, stealing the election would closely follow in order of sinfulness. Thereafter would come the man who met violent aggression with immediate violent retaliation, without exploring any peaceful means whatsoever. As for he who resorted to violent retaliation after exhausting all peaceful alternatives, I say they too are guilty, but in a manslaughter-vs-cold-blood-murder kind of way. But then there is the important question of what constitutes "exhausting all peaceful alternatives". My lay "judgement". Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
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seppuku wrote:seppuku wrote:B.Timer wrote:Shak wrote:It is said that during one of the many fund raisers he attended at the height of pev he was overheard saying 'we need to do something about these guys attacking our people' in vernacular. This is rumour though not fact Na hiyo mikutano ilikuwa itwa aje! Burying of heads in the sand isnt the way to go! The thing is, at the time, I was and still am persuaded that something had to give to stop the mayhem.The 'Assy' nature of the law though is that the belligerent and the retaliator are lumped together! What you say is politically incorrect, grossly so. But it is difficult to argue against, especially because the government of the day didn't inspire much confidence in its ability to stymie the mess early on. That is precisely how civil wars begin. But some will also say that the original aggression was stealing the election. I think there is guilt at many levels, in spite of my Sunday school teacher's assertion that there is no sin and mini-sin. Anybody who, before the election, planned to harm another if they lost (or maybe even if they won) the election is by far the guiltiest of the lot. In my book, stealing the election would closely follow in order of sinfulness. Thereafter would come the man who met violent aggression with immediate violent retaliation, without exploring any peaceful means whatsoever. As for he who resorted to violent retaliation after exhausting all peaceful alternatives, I say they too are guilty, but in a manslaughter-vs-cold-blood-murder kind of way. But then there is the important question of what constitutes "exhausting all peaceful alternatives". My lay "judgement". We kind of share perspectives. Leave the Sunday school Teacher out of this, certain aspects of life require pragmatism as opposed to arm-chair pontifications. Dunia ni msongamano..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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Amores wrote:butterflyke wrote:watching the post count Hahaha i think people are on holiday mode,so they might not bring the stuff @sepuku has warned them about at the end of the post.  it is moving fast. wacha tuone kama by Sunday itakuwa ama itakuwa Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/11/2010 Posts: 918
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butterflyke wrote:Amores wrote:butterflyke wrote:watching the post count Hahaha i think people are on holiday mode,so they might not bring the stuff @sepuku has warned them about at the end of the post. it is moving fast. wacha tuone kama by Sunday itakuwa ama itakuwa Wewe @butterflyke, usishungurie. Shangia. Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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seppuku wrote:butterflyke wrote:Amores wrote:butterflyke wrote:watching the post count Hahaha i think people are on holiday mode,so they might not bring the stuff @sepuku has warned them about at the end of the post. it is moving fast. wacha tuone kama by Sunday itakuwa ama itakuwa Wewe @butterflyke, usishungurie. Shangia. hi @seppuku. nachangia to the tyranny of posts Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/11/2010 Posts: 918
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butterflyke wrote:seppuku wrote:butterflyke wrote:Amores wrote:butterflyke wrote:watching the post count Hahaha i think people are on holiday mode,so they might not bring the stuff @sepuku has warned them about at the end of the post. it is moving fast. wacha tuone kama by Sunday itakuwa ama itakuwa Wewe @butterflyke, usishungurie. Shangia. hi @seppuku. nachangia to the tyranny of posts I am hoping there will be no tyranny here. Watu waseme bila matusi au fitina.  Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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McReggae wrote:poundfoolish wrote:simonkabz wrote:The many Luos living in Thika should be very grateful to UK. He came round and calmed the angry residents, and no one was touched! Unfortunately, the kangaroo court can come around n use this as evidence of "how influential" UK was back then. Its simply one centre for supreme absurdity and grand insanity.
The moment this ICC bug is dead n buried I shall be one peaceful man. The trauma of the PEV I have it to date still very fresh, and when I see fellows right here in wazua attempting the same 2007 tricks I lose it. I lost friends n family, as we are rather spread out accross the country. I did some state duties in western during the thick of things in Jan 07, Traversing the volatile south n north rift, thru kisumu to katch, witnessing all the mayhem, bloodletting, property destruction, insults, ethnic profiling.
Trucks upon trucks of IDPs in Subukia, Nyahururu, Naivasha, Nyeri, Thika, Kiambu, Nakuru. .....It was a tinderbox, and a retaliation was more than CERTAIN. It doesn't require any planning or incitement for SCARED, ANGRY DESPERATE people to go baserk. And on 26th, crap hit the fan. Followed immediately by calls for peace! What a tragedy! You call for peace when "my" people are attacked? While all along the song had been "No PEACE without justice" when "THESE PEOPLE" were being butchered, raped, sodomised, infected with HIV and "being taught a lesson"?
Who were these victims we keep hearing about? I roughly estimate more than 70% of direct PEV victims voted uhuruto, so whose justice is the kangaroo court seeking? Does this court ever reckon that millions of indirect victims like myself, also require justice?
In my mind, one critical personality escaped Ocampo, largely coz of his position then, and his underhand connections with the evil societies n the West~expunging his name completely from all reports. And with that, ICC made the biggest mistake. ...deviding a polarized state further, driving it closer n closer to the bottomless pit of chaos n instability, and appearing to victimise the target community of 2007. Eti mzungu ni mungu so tumuabudu, my jigger foot! I am sorry for your predicaments but the harsh truth of the reality is that the ICC operates differently. The single most question being "Was there a pre planned attempt to displace, kill or maim a certain group of people be it by tribe, creed, race or religion?" That is the question the ICC ask.. once there is a sniff of that, they pounce Sadly the young men are carrying the burden of departed old men.. they were promised to be head of their communities.. and they are.. That is why ODM was keen to shout that chaos in its zones were spontaneous.. sadly those in Naivasha,and larger Rift Valley, as you have insinuated somewhere in your long rant were pre planned.. hence the ICC ODM was also smart to call for mass action.. Mass action does not mean chaos, infact its a democratic right.. Though what they actually ment when calling for Mass action was 'cause chaos'to give them some bargaining ground. So your pedestrian thinking of mass action = war and an eye for an eye stopped the mayhem is nothing but a selfish human nature keenly observed in Africans (sorry to say, Helmet in place) Hasira zako hazitakusaidia.. but sleep in peace.. the dynamic duo will be set free but after that sleep in fear again because once they are out of the scene Keter will have waited his 20years and he shall remind 'his people' how they were kept out of the railway deal.. now forgive forget and move on... I did Very well said....I still remember how we shipped guys from Thika and other Nairobi environs, and when they came for them hawakuwa ndio wakaendea wale wa naivasha who assummed Naivasha was cosmopolitan and would be safe!!!! Jahman, did u ship all of them? Poundfoolish, your insults were very much expected, thank you. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:McReggae wrote:poundfoolish wrote:simonkabz wrote:The many Luos living in Thika should be very grateful to UK. He came round and calmed the angry residents, and no one was touched! Unfortunately, the kangaroo court can come around n use this as evidence of "how influential" UK was back then. Its simply one centre for supreme absurdity and grand insanity.
The moment this ICC bug is dead n buried I shall be one peaceful man. The trauma of the PEV I have it to date still very fresh, and when I see fellows right here in wazua attempting the same 2007 tricks I lose it. I lost friends n family, as we are rather spread out accross the country. I did some state duties in western during the thick of things in Jan 07, Traversing the volatile south n north rift, thru kisumu to katch, witnessing all the mayhem, bloodletting, property destruction, insults, ethnic profiling.
Trucks upon trucks of IDPs in Subukia, Nyahururu, Naivasha, Nyeri, Thika, Kiambu, Nakuru. .....It was a tinderbox, and a retaliation was more than CERTAIN. It doesn't require any planning or incitement for SCARED, ANGRY DESPERATE people to go baserk. And on 26th, crap hit the fan. Followed immediately by calls for peace! What a tragedy! You call for peace when "my" people are attacked? While all along the song had been "No PEACE without justice" when "THESE PEOPLE" were being butchered, raped, sodomised, infected with HIV and "being taught a lesson"?
Who were these victims we keep hearing about? I roughly estimate more than 70% of direct PEV victims voted uhuruto, so whose justice is the kangaroo court seeking? Does this court ever reckon that millions of indirect victims like myself, also require justice?
In my mind, one critical personality escaped Ocampo, largely coz of his position then, and his underhand connections with the evil societies n the West~expunging his name completely from all reports. And with that, ICC made the biggest mistake. ...deviding a polarized state further, driving it closer n closer to the bottomless pit of chaos n instability, and appearing to victimise the target community of 2007. Eti mzungu ni mungu so tumuabudu, my jigger foot! I am sorry for your predicaments but the harsh truth of the reality is that the ICC operates differently. The single most question being "Was there a pre planned attempt to displace, kill or maim a certain group of people be it by tribe, creed, race or religion?" That is the question the ICC ask.. once there is a sniff of that, they pounce Sadly the young men are carrying the burden of departed old men.. they were promised to be head of their communities.. and they are.. That is why ODM was keen to shout that chaos in its zones were spontaneous.. sadly those in Naivasha,and larger Rift Valley, as you have insinuated somewhere in your long rant were pre planned.. hence the ICC ODM was also smart to call for mass action.. Mass action does not mean chaos, infact its a democratic right.. Though what they actually ment when calling for Mass action was 'cause chaos'to give them some bargaining ground. So your pedestrian thinking of mass action = war and an eye for an eye stopped the mayhem is nothing but a selfish human nature keenly observed in Africans (sorry to say, Helmet in place) Hasira zako hazitakusaidia.. but sleep in peace.. the dynamic duo will be set free but after that sleep in fear again because once they are out of the scene Keter will have waited his 20years and he shall remind 'his people' how they were kept out of the railway deal.. now forgive forget and move on... I did Very well said....I still remember how we shipped guys from Thika and other Nairobi environs, and when they came for them hawakuwa ndio wakaendea wale wa naivasha who assummed Naivasha was cosmopolitan and would be safe!!!! Jahman, did u ship all of them? Poundfoolish, your insults were very much expected, thank you. What I know is that by the time the revenge attacks started most had shipped out!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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