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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 7,081 Location: Kenya
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You wake up at 2 am to say how Raila escaped the dragnet! The dream preceding the post must have been a terrible one… Like Lwanda Magere sojourned through Central province, changing everybody there into a Tilapia. What a dream!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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simonkabz wrote:The many Luos living in Thika should be very grateful to UK. He came round and calmed the angry residents, and no one was touched! Unfortunately, the kangaroo court can come around n use this as evidence of "how influential" UK was back then. Its simply one centre for supreme absurdity and grand insanity.
The moment this ICC bug is dead n buried I shall be one peaceful man. The trauma of the PEV I have it to date still very fresh, and when I see fellows right here in wazua attempting the same 2007 tricks I lose it. I lost friends n family, as we are rather spread out accross the country. I did some state duties in western during the thick of things in Jan 07, Traversing the volatile south n north rift, thru kisumu to katch, witnessing all the mayhem, bloodletting, property destruction, insults, ethnic profiling.
Trucks upon trucks of IDPs in Subukia, Nyahururu, Naivasha, Nyeri, Thika, Kiambu, Nakuru. .....It was a tinderbox, and a retaliation was more than CERTAIN. It doesn't require any planning or incitement for SCARED, ANGRY DESPERATE people to go baserk. And on 26th, crap hit the fan. Followed immediately by calls for peace! What a tragedy! You call for peace when "my" people are attacked? While all along the song had been "No PEACE without justice" when "THESE PEOPLE" were being butchered, raped, sodomised, infected with HIV and "being taught a lesson"?
Who were these victims we keep hearing about? I roughly estimate more than 70% of direct PEV victims voted uhuruto, so whose justice is the kangaroo court seeking? Does this court ever reckon that millions of indirect victims like myself, also require justice?
In my mind, one critical personality escaped Ocampo, largely coz of his position then, and his underhand connections with the evil societies n the West~expunging his name completely from all reports. And with that, ICC made the biggest mistake. ...deviding a polarized state further, driving it closer n closer to the bottomless pit of chaos n instability, and appearing to victimise the target community of 2007. Eti mzungu ni mungu so tumuabudu, my jigger foot! Well put. But did the said personality 'escape' or will the evidence given in defense, incriminate him?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Sad that this is how international justice works...i.e. those who call for peace and restraint as their people are being raped, maimed, robbed, displaced etc are hauled to the Hague. While those who are the source of the suffering, i.e. those who call for the "mass action" targeting the victims are told isokei and supported by the international community.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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TAZ wrote:poundfoolish wrote:
That is why ODM was keen to shout that chaos in its zones were spontaneous.. sadly those in Naivasha,and larger Rift Valley, as you have insinuated somewhere in your long rant were pre planned.. hence the ICC
ODM was also smart to call for mass action.. Mass action does not mean chaos, infact its a democratic right.. Though what they actually ment when calling for Mass action was 'cause chaos'to give them some bargaining ground.
 Use of Coded language, isn't that what Sang is being accused of but ikifika kwa wengine its being "smart".... That is why Sang is there... Wengine ni kina nani? Allow me to quote Njung'e before he lost the "'" Somebody said the sheep is fat, he did not say the sheep needs to be slaughtered.. Those who went to slaughter it shauri yao.. the lady from Gichugu was very keen to remind the then Arap milosovic how the chaos in the Rift was not spontaneous but preplanned, with evidence of plans going as far as 6 months before elections and it was come win or loss madoa doa lazima itolewe. The happenings in Naivasha were also well organised, well executed... and infact people were happy to praise the prince for planning such so as to stop the mayhem. Simonkabz comes here with his directed anger at an entire tribe due to one individual with some sort of selective amnesia or hypocrisy mentioning Luos in Thika.. the problem then was not Luo vs Kikuyu it was largely Kalenjin vs Kikuyu and the truth of the matter is.. there are very few Kalenjins in Central, those who reside there had left and yes people not from Central kenya were threatened, evicted and some killed, but like Kisumu this acts were spontaneous just as they were in Kisumu. I am no luo but the highest no. of deaths during the PEV's even before the ceasefire were Luos followed by Luhyas This killings were not done by Mungiki or tribal warriors.. this deaths were in urban centres (Nairobi and Kisumu) and done by police who are tribeless.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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jaggernaut wrote:Sad that this is how international justice works...i.e. those who call for peace and restraint as their people are being raped, maimed, robbed, displaced etc are hauled to the Hague. While those who are the source of the suffering, i.e. those who call for the "mass action" targeting the victims are told isokei and supported by the international community. But Jeff Koinange even thanked Uhuru that his interventions saved the Kikuyu....remember 3 sides of a coin? ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:[quote=poundfoolish][quote=simonkabz]
Very well said....I still remember how we shipped guys from Thika and other Nairobi environs, and when they came for them hawakuwa ndio wakaendea wale wa naivasha who assummed Naivasha was cosmopolitan and would be safe!!!! Total nonsense....How many did you ship and to where? Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:jaggernaut wrote:Sad that this is how international justice works...i.e. those who call for peace and restraint as their people are being raped, maimed, robbed, displaced etc are hauled to the Hague. While those who are the source of the suffering, i.e. those who call for the "mass action" targeting the victims are told isokei and supported by the international community. But Jeff Koinange even thanked Uhuru that his interventions saved the Kikuyu....remember 3 sides of a coin? He was trying to get an investor into K24, it worked..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Njung'e wrote:McReggae wrote:[quote=poundfoolish][quote=simonkabz]
Very well said....I still remember how we shipped guys from Thika and other Nairobi environs, and when they came for them hawakuwa ndio wakaendea wale wa naivasha who assummed Naivasha was cosmopolitan and would be safe!!!! Total nonsense....How many did you ship and to where? That 1st statement is unwarranted since you were not part of it! Yeah shipped them to safer neighbourhoods in Nairobi, hata kama ni squating!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:[quote=Njung'e][quote=McReggae][quote=poundfoolish][quote=simonkabz]
That 1st statement is unwarranted since you were not part of it!
Yeah shipped them to safer neighbourhoods in Nairobi, hata kama ni squating!!!! And the shipping was pre-planned?......Of course you must have had a head count then.Tell me then how many Luos reside in Thika.I would be interested to know. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/31/2008 Posts: 1,076
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Shak wrote:It is said that during one of the many fund raisers he attended at the height of pev he was overheard saying 'we need to do something about these guys attacking our people' in vernacular. This is rumour though not fact Na hiyo mikutano ilikuwa itwa aje! Burying of heads in the sand isnt the way to go! The thing is, at the time, I was and still am persuaded that something had to give to stop the mayhem. The 'Assy' nature of the law though is that the belligerent and the retaliator are lumped together! Dunia ni msongamano..
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