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Rank: Member Joined: 8/3/2007 Posts: 146
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I am not in the health sector but the way they are insisting on this is adding suspicion that all is not well..  linkTo a worker does it really matter who pays the salary if both employers offer the same terms and all that changes is who processes you salo..  What is the fear with the medics?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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sorovi wrote:I am not in the health sector but the way they are insisting on this is adding suspicion that all is not well.. linkTo a worker does it really matter who pays the salary if both employers offer the same terms and all that changes is who processes you salo.. What is the fear with the medics? Now the terms being offered arent the same... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/9/2011 Posts: 786 Location: Mashinani
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The real truth is that medical workers will be monitored more closely, and that... Hawataki. The rest is propaganda. Your salary is protected by the katiba. Peace in our Homeland.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/3/2007 Posts: 146
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maka wrote:sorovi wrote:I am not in the health sector but the way they are insisting on this is adding suspicion that all is not well.. linkTo a worker does it really matter who pays the salary if both employers offer the same terms and all that changes is who processes you salo.. What is the fear with the medics? Now the terms being offered arent the same... I also think the terms are the same.. the only issue could be probably been monitored as @kamundu says.. Also some have been probably been benefiting from the ghost workers .. so will be difficult now.. I tend to think their demands are not justified..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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kamundu wrote:The real truth is that medical workers will be monitored more closely, and that... Hawataki. The rest is propaganda. Your salary is protected by the katiba. I worked on this case extensively I know what I am talking about...and since you are in the field we should be in the same page...From earlier strikes i used to be hard on doctors but on this one they really do have a case... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/9/2011 Posts: 786 Location: Mashinani
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Afya house was asleep when the katiba was being drafted. You see TSC is in the katiba. They should have forseen and formed a HSC to avoid this mess, otherwise devolution is inevitable. I think counties should continue to offer the same perks, and even compete on who pays better to attract personnel, otherwise to entrench a HSC in the katiba we would need a referendum Peace in our Homeland.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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maka wrote:kamundu wrote:The real truth is that medical workers will be monitored more closely, and that... Hawataki. The rest is propaganda. Your salary is protected by the katiba. I worked on this case extensively I know what I am talking about...and since you are in the field we should be in the same page...From earlier strikes i used to be hard on doctors but on this one they really do have a case... @Maka, from a proffesional viewpoint, how do you suggest that this shud be handled? 1. Constitution dictates that the sector be devolved. So its just a matter of when and how. 2. County govts shall eventually have to manage their own services now that health guys never asked for a Health Commission. What is the way forward?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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washiku wrote:maka wrote:kamundu wrote:The real truth is that medical workers will be monitored more closely, and that... Hawataki. The rest is propaganda. Your salary is protected by the katiba. I worked on this case extensively I know what I am talking about...and since you are in the field we should be in the same page...From earlier strikes i used to be hard on doctors but on this one they really do have a case... @Maka, from a proffesional viewpoint, how do you suggest that this shud be handled? 1. Constitution dictates that the sector be devolved. So its just a matter of when and how. 2. County govts shall eventually have to manage their own services now that health guys never asked for a Health Commission. What is the way forward? As I said in the earlier thread devolution is a must not an option....and I posted the prayers that we seek... (i) Order of Certiorari to quash legal notices no.137-182....this will give the parties involved time to iron out the issues lets be real in regards to this matter some county governments do not have the capacity to run health services...rem the constitution under article 175 requires that county govts have reliable sources of revenue to enable them to govern and deliver devolved services effectively uv heard the governors crying left,right and centre the money they were given waznt enough...health is an essential service lets take a huge portion of the 36 months set aside for devolving all services to make sure both sides are comfy....I wish you guys were around when Lucy Kambuni was making her submissions she agreed that the process has not been smooth but bottlenecks are always there...I tend to disagree let the Central govt handle the medics as we work on the structures,bottlenecks in regards to such sensitive matters should never be there...we are treading on very dangerous grounds.... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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maka wrote:washiku wrote:maka wrote:kamundu wrote:The real truth is that medical workers will be monitored more closely, and that... Hawataki. The rest is propaganda. Your salary is protected by the katiba. I worked on this case extensively I know what I am talking about...and since you are in the field we should be in the same page...From earlier strikes i used to be hard on doctors but on this one they really do have a case... @Maka, from a proffesional viewpoint, how do you suggest that this shud be handled? 1. Constitution dictates that the sector be devolved. So its just a matter of when and how. 2. County govts shall eventually have to manage their own services now that health guys never asked for a Health Commission. What is the way forward? As I said in the earlier thread devolution is a must not an option....and I posted the prayers that we seek... (i) Order of Certiorari to quash legal notices no.137-182....this will give the parties involved time to iron out the issues lets be real in regards to this matter some county governments do not have the capacity to run health services...rem the constitution under article 175 requires that county govts have reliable sources of revenue to enable them to govern and deliver devolved services effectively uv heard the governors crying left,right and centre the money they were given waznt enough...health is an essential service lets take a huge portion of the 36 months set aside for devolving all services to make sure both sides are comfy....I wish you guys were around when Lucy Kambuni was making her submissions she agreed that the process has not been smooth but bottlenecks are always there...I tend to disagree let the Central govt handle the medics as we work on the structures,bottlenecks in regards to such sensitive matters should never be there...we are treading on very dangerous grounds.... Aha...I get you. Let them sit and agree then. I thought that was what they were supposed to do when UK called them to state house. This idea of doctors and nurses on strike is not good at all...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/21/2013 Posts: 2,841 Location: Here
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sorovi wrote:I am not in the health sector but the way they are insisting on this is adding suspicion that all is not well.. linkTo a worker does it really matter who pays the salary if both employers offer the same terms and all that changes is who processes you salo.. What is the fear with the medics? The terms being offered are different. Kakamega & Kitui counties have already circulated lists clearly showing they'll not pay some of the allowances currently enjoyed by HCWs, in effect forcing them to take a pay cut. Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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washiku wrote:maka wrote:washiku wrote:maka wrote:kamundu wrote:The real truth is that medical workers will be monitored more closely, and that... Hawataki. The rest is propaganda. Your salary is protected by the katiba. I worked on this case extensively I know what I am talking about...and since you are in the field we should be in the same page...From earlier strikes i used to be hard on doctors but on this one they really do have a case... @Maka, from a proffesional viewpoint, how do you suggest that this shud be handled? 1. Constitution dictates that the sector be devolved. So its just a matter of when and how. 2. County govts shall eventually have to manage their own services now that health guys never asked for a Health Commission. What is the way forward? As I said in the earlier thread devolution is a must not an option....and I posted the prayers that we seek... (i) Order of Certiorari to quash legal notices no.137-182....this will give the parties involved time to iron out the issues lets be real in regards to this matter some county governments do not have the capacity to run health services...rem the constitution under article 175 requires that county govts have reliable sources of revenue to enable them to govern and deliver devolved services effectively uv heard the governors crying left,right and centre the money they were given waznt enough...health is an essential service lets take a huge portion of the 36 months set aside for devolving all services to make sure both sides are comfy....I wish you guys were around when Lucy Kambuni was making her submissions she agreed that the process has not been smooth but bottlenecks are always there...I tend to disagree let the Central govt handle the medics as we work on the structures,bottlenecks in regards to such sensitive matters should never be there...we are treading on very dangerous grounds.... Aha...I get you. Let them sit and agree then. I thought that was what they were supposed to do when UK called them to state house. This idea of doctors and nurses on strike is not good at all... Ummmh UK said wapende wasipende this matter cannot be reversed...lets wait for the 3 judge bench but no hope kabisa what @Rankaz has put across is real and is happening....very sad state of affairs. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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The governor of Uasin Gishu county has banned health workers from operating private clinics. I thought they get non-practice allowance
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2012 Posts: 1,110
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Shak wrote:The governor of Uasin Gishu county has banned health workers from operating private clinics. I thought they get non-practice allowance Chest thumping begins right now.Live Full Die Empty - Les Brown.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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And why have they disobeyed a court order to return to work?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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This is a catch 22. If the katiba says they will be devolved, then only a referendum will save them. On the other hand, its true that if there are no structures in place for this, oh lordie lord. Negotiate and come up with a workable way forward. I don't blame the gov't on this one. I blame the governors who aren't prepared but had better take the money. I also can't blame a nurse who was being paid 10k last month, then being told she'd be paid 8k kwa sababu ya devolution. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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kamundu wrote:Afya house was asleep when the katiba was being drafted. You see TSC is in the katiba. They should have forseen and formed a HSC to avoid this mess, otherwise devolution is inevitable. I think counties should continue to offer the same perks, and even compete on who pays better to attract personnel, otherwise to entrench a HSC in the katiba we would need a referendum hii ndio ujinga ya kufuwata watu wholescale... katiba ni 90% mzuri!! kumbe hiyo 10% mbaya ni 100% yako All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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masukuma wrote:kamundu wrote:Afya house was asleep when the katiba was being drafted. You see TSC is in the katiba. They should have forseen and formed a HSC to avoid this mess, otherwise devolution is inevitable. I think counties should continue to offer the same perks, and even compete on who pays better to attract personnel, otherwise to entrench a HSC in the katiba we would need a referendum hii ndio ujinga ya kufuwata watu wholescale... katiba ni 90% mzuri!! kumbe hiyo 10% mbaya ni 100% yako  Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 1,883
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2012 Posts: 1,317
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masukuma wrote:kamundu wrote:Afya house was asleep when the katiba was being drafted. You see TSC is in the katiba. They should have forseen and formed a HSC to avoid this mess, otherwise devolution is inevitable. I think counties should continue to offer the same perks, and even compete on who pays better to attract personnel, otherwise to entrench a HSC in the katiba we would need a referendum hii ndio ujinga ya kufuwata watu wholescale... katiba ni 90% mzuri!! kumbe hiyo 10% mbaya ni 100% yako Deafening silence from the man who propagated this line of thinking.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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alma wrote:This is a catch 22.
If the katiba says they will be devolved, then only a referendum will save them.
On the other hand, its true that if there are no structures in place for this, oh lordie lord.
Negotiate and come up with a workable way forward. I don't blame the gov't on this one. I blame the governors who aren't prepared but had better take the money. I also can't blame a nurse who was being paid 10k last month, then being told she'd be paid 8k kwa sababu ya devolution.
The govt doesnt want to negotiate the governors believe they are sent from heaven...kichwa ngumu sana hawa watu... possunt quia posse videntur
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