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NSSF Bill
newfarer
#51 Posted : Friday, December 06, 2013 7:30:49 AM
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githundi wrote:
newfarer wrote:
githundi wrote:
newfarer wrote:
I support the law.Godsent. ipite maramoja.it will compensate for the useless employment act (2007) which provides for no severance pay if you are sacked while you are a nssf member.
you will pay only 70% of the 6% of your gross. empoyer tops up with 6%.good.

@ newfarer, kindly explain further how is severance pay provided by new act. Am not getting your figures....

the employer will be forced to pay for you 6% of your gross per month. per year you will be getting 12monthsx6% = 72% of your one gross month salary paid by your employer. isn't that good?


severence pay was pegged @ 50% of your 1, month salary for every year worked

Thanks, I get you.
But there were a sizable group doing more than this, what am worried about is that the defined contribution schemes where this money was put was giving good earnings as compared to what they'll get from govt (if any).


let's get the scheme started then when the next election come, vote with your retirement nest in mind.ask yourself if the government is using your money properly.

if the private schemes are doing well why. not nssf?
we need to hold our public institutions accountable instead of whining corruption this corruption that and doing nothing when an opportunity presents itself.
punda amecheka
githundi
#52 Posted : Friday, December 06, 2013 7:46:35 AM
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githundi wrote:
2 quick questions.
1.What will happen to what employees have contributed to defined contribution schemes?
And will employees be able to get lump sums of up to about 60% as per the current law.
2. With a life expectancy of 60 years, why should we contribute money we might never use, especially as lump sum will never be paid.
I feel cheated. Working to provide some money for nssf bureaucracy to eat.

Anyone?
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Siringi
#53 Posted : Friday, December 06, 2013 11:43:27 AM
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gregory
#54 Posted : Friday, December 06, 2013 12:09:58 PM
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Ole Lenku wrote:
gregory wrote:
King G wrote:
maka wrote:
Siringi wrote:
For those who know what kind of pittance most retirees in Kenya take home this NSSF Bill is a godsend

However we have serious unresolved governance issues that need to be cleaned up before a single sent is send downm that sewer line that is the current NSSF

Come here ==>How NSSF spends your money<<<==



The problem is we rush to do stuff without lying down the proper ground work and structures to support it...everyone affected is fearing how the cash will be used and as someone is saying we might be creating more ways for people to eat...


Let this be implemented ASAP. We need confortable Kenyans in retirement.


is it the government's responsibility to see that you are comfortable in retirement? let everyone plan individually for their own retirement

This is the classic conundrum. It seems like your comfort after retirement is a personal issue but that is not the case. If you fail to plan well you will be a bother to friends, family, government e.t.c. The problems you will have created will not only affect you but also the aforementioned. That is why the government steps in early to save you from yourself.


how i wish they would consult with workers before raiding their pay slips. let the individual decide how much they want to save for retirement. am tired of NSSF losing pensioner's money in white elephant projects. Am a QS by profession and we have private pension funds as our clients. they are doing very well thought out and viable projects. NSSF should emulate them
mkonomtupu
#55 Posted : Friday, December 06, 2013 12:15:38 PM
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githundi wrote:
githundi wrote:
2 quick questions.
1.What will happen to what employees have contributed to defined contribution schemes?
And will employees be able to get lump sums of up to about 60% as per the current law.
2. With a life expectancy of 60 years, why should we contribute money we might never use, especially as lump sum will never be paid.
I feel cheated. Working to provide some money for nssf bureaucracy to eat.

Anyone?


Let me attempt to answer
1. The employees will continue to contribute to the defined contribution. The NSSF bill has set out an opting out option where the employer can show they run a registered scheme with all the rights. However in Ugandan and Tanzania where the rate is high the employers have found it more practical to just pay for the NSSF. Its likely employers will close the current schemes to new members/employees and opt to pay the NSSF only. That means you have to read the employment contract more keenly because pension is part of the bargain.
2. You contribute because that money helps in longterm investments in the country because pension schemes buy treasury bonds, shares and also build houses e.g. NSSF Embakassi. In any event with your contribution at 6% you have 94% of your income to spend at will
josimar
#56 Posted : Monday, December 09, 2013 4:29:17 PM
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After reading Messi's opinion below I guess we need to have NSSF's house in order at first , then we also need the government to come out clean and commit itself not to touch NSSFs' funds . Same of Mess's thoughts below are scary if they become a reality :

http://www.standardmedia...ons-uhuru-over-nssf-bill
FundamentAli
#57 Posted : Monday, December 09, 2013 5:00:03 PM
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seppuku wrote:
I see no problem with 6%, but it should be optional if you can show evidence of belonging to an alternative scheme.

If you belong to an existing scheme, you stick with it. Kazungu Kambi was enticing people to abandon other schemes for NSSF with the claim that it is better
King G
#58 Posted : Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:46:37 PM
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FundamentAli wrote:
seppuku wrote:
I see no problem with 6%, but it should be optional if you can show evidence of belonging to an alternative scheme.

If you belong to an existing scheme, you stick with it. Kazungu Kambi was enticing people to abandon other schemes for NSSF with the claim that it is better


All employers/employee MUST first contribute to NSSF otherwise it wont work.

@newfarer, you are confusing service pay and severance pay which are two different things Employment Act section 35 (5)& (6)(a) and section 40(1) (f)&(g) respectively. These serve different purposes with the first applied in case of any termination and 2nd applied only in cases of redudancy.
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tutebeng
#59 Posted : Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:27:44 PM
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King G wrote:
FundamentAli wrote:
seppuku wrote:
I see no problem with 6%, but it should be optional if you can show evidence of belonging to an alternative scheme.

If you belong to an existing scheme, you stick with it. Kazungu Kambi was enticing people to abandon other schemes for NSSF with the claim that it is better


All employers/employee MUST first contribute to NSSF otherwise it wont work.

@newfarer, you are confusing service pay and severance pay which are two different things Employment Act section 35 (5)& (6)(a) and section 40(1) (f)&(g) respectively. These serve different purposes with the first applied in case of any termination and 2nd applied only in cases of redudancy.


King G you make an important point here by connecting the NSSF with the Employment Act and the two instances of service pay and severance pay. I now wonder whether with this raised amount on NSSF contracts will have to provide specifically for the 3 items and if yes then how, but i see the need for clarity.
kimiri
#60 Posted : Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:21:39 AM
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A nice article by Jaidi on why the we can’t trust NSSF with more of our savings.

http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/msfnyaz/-/index.html
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