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NSSF Bill
gregory
#41 Posted : Thursday, December 05, 2013 6:23:37 PM
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King G wrote:
maka wrote:
Siringi wrote:
For those who know what kind of pittance most retirees in Kenya take home this NSSF Bill is a godsend

However we have serious unresolved governance issues that need to be cleaned up before a single sent is send downm that sewer line that is the current NSSF

Come here ==>How NSSF spends your money<<<==



The problem is we rush to do stuff without lying down the proper ground work and structures to support it...everyone affected is fearing how the cash will be used and as someone is saying we might be creating more ways for people to eat...


Let this be implemented ASAP. We need confortable Kenyans in retirement.


is it the government's responsibility to see that you are comfortable in retirement? let everyone plan individually for their own retirement
Ole Lenku
#42 Posted : Thursday, December 05, 2013 6:45:31 PM
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gregory wrote:
King G wrote:
maka wrote:
Siringi wrote:
For those who know what kind of pittance most retirees in Kenya take home this NSSF Bill is a godsend

However we have serious unresolved governance issues that need to be cleaned up before a single sent is send downm that sewer line that is the current NSSF

Come here ==>How NSSF spends your money<<<==



The problem is we rush to do stuff without lying down the proper ground work and structures to support it...everyone affected is fearing how the cash will be used and as someone is saying we might be creating more ways for people to eat...


Let this be implemented ASAP. We need confortable Kenyans in retirement.


is it the government's responsibility to see that you are comfortable in retirement? let everyone plan individually for their own retirement

This is the classic conundrum. It seems like your comfort after retirement is a personal issue but that is not the case. If you fail to plan well you will be a bother to friends, family, government e.t.c. The problems you will have created will not only affect you but also the aforementioned. That is why the government steps in early to save you from yourself.
githundi
#43 Posted : Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:15:13 PM
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2 quick questions.
1.What will happen to what employees have contributed to defined contribution schemes?
And will employees be able to get lump sums of up to about 60% as per the current law.
2. With a life expectancy of 60 years, why should we contribute money we might never use, especially as lump sum will never be paid.
I feel cheated. Working to provide some money for nssf bureaucracy to eat.
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githundi
#44 Posted : Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:18:29 PM
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newfarer wrote:
I support the law.Godsent. ipite maramoja.it will compensate for the useless employment act (2007) which provides for no severance pay if you are sacked while you are a nssf member.
you will pay only 70% of the 6% of your gross. empoyer tops up with 6%.good.

@ newfarer, kindly explain further how is severance pay provided by new act. Am not getting your figures....
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githundi
#45 Posted : Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:22:00 PM
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I would have preferred a scenario where those schemes with joint contributions more than 12%are retained, but those inferior are catered by the new law.
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githundi
#46 Posted : Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:24:40 PM
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Or we cap by law the expenses of NSSF to standard 2% of contributions to protect workers money from those who are already salivating for what they never worked for.
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githundi
#47 Posted : Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:26:52 PM
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Yaani am seeing these guys making me more poor than safeguarding my future.
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InnovateGuy
#48 Posted : Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:35:27 PM
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That's the ga'arment for you. They keep on running after employees money.
Live Full Die Empty - Les Brown.
newfarer
#49 Posted : Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:03:09 PM
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githundi wrote:
newfarer wrote:
I support the law.Godsent. ipite maramoja.it will compensate for the useless employment act (2007) which provides for no severance pay if you are sacked while you are a nssf member.
you will pay only 70% of the 6% of your gross. empoyer tops up with 6%.good.

@ newfarer, kindly explain further how is severance pay provided by new act. Am not getting your figures....

the employer will be forced to pay for you 6% of your gross per month. per year you will be getting 12monthsx6% = 72% of your one gross month salary paid by your employer. isn't that good?


severence pay was pegged @ 50% of your 1, month salary for every year worked
punda amecheka
githundi
#50 Posted : Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:42:41 PM
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newfarer wrote:
githundi wrote:
newfarer wrote:
I support the law.Godsent. ipite maramoja.it will compensate for the useless employment act (2007) which provides for no severance pay if you are sacked while you are a nssf member.
you will pay only 70% of the 6% of your gross. empoyer tops up with 6%.good.

@ newfarer, kindly explain further how is severance pay provided by new act. Am not getting your figures....

the employer will be forced to pay for you 6% of your gross per month. per year you will be getting 12monthsx6% = 72% of your one gross month salary paid by your employer. isn't that good?


severence pay was pegged @ 50% of your 1, month salary for every year worked

Thanks, I get you.
But there were a sizable group doing more than this, what am worried about is that the defined contribution schemes where this money was put was giving good earnings as compared to what they'll get from govt (if any).
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