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simonkabz
#41 Posted : Monday, December 02, 2013 12:44:28 PM
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ecstacy wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
35k is peanuts? Go to hell! Find out what Ugandans, Ethiopians, Sudanese, Ugandans, Tanzanians, Rwandese, congolese, burundis are paid, before yapping away alongside our pathetic media. Probably LESS THAN HALF! Noisy clueless kenyans!


Ulinyimwa usiku au nini? That is for your most elite unit Recce who undergo training worth millions per serviceman/woman to guard your Head Of State, foreign VIPs and engage in special Ops just to be poached by private sector organizations or high profile individuals. The Sudanese & Congolese are your yardstick?? Buure kabisa.


Yes, they are in fact. The congolese go without a salary for months. We need to ask ourselves how come, the HIGHEST PAID east africans can't lead a decent life, and we make comparisons, we are in Africa, and we must compare n contrast with peers, and get to know where we are going wrong. What is your yardstick? USA?
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
simonkabz
#42 Posted : Monday, December 02, 2013 12:57:41 PM
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Teachers get a lower scale, same for nurses I guess, and a majority of workers and businessmen n women in Kenya. The countries I mentioned pay even lower. The private sector the same. Why would a South Sudanese soldier or a ugandan policeman live better than a highly paid kenyan? We start there. What are we doing wrong? A majority of kenyans would actually kill for 35k! Masukuma thank you!

Cost of living? Is it any different from say, daressalaam? Kinshasa? Kampala?

Loans/investment schemes anchored on payslips.......do we have policies in place to prevent overcommitment of the monthly pay?

I have seen teachers in shags doing so well, infact a majority of them, with very little pay-I guess those days it was below 18k.

If we lower cost of living by building more govt quarters n investments in food production/agriculture just like India, China and most of south east asian states, will these financial problems cease? .
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Magigi
#43 Posted : Monday, December 02, 2013 12:58:30 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
35k is peanuts? Go to hell! Find out what Ugandans, Ethiopians, Sudanese, Ugandans, Tanzanians, Rwandese, congolese, burundis are paid, before yapping away alongside our pathetic media. Probably LESS THAN HALF! Noisy clueless kenyans!


Ulinyimwa usiku au nini? That is for your most elite unit Recce who undergo training worth millions per serviceman/woman to guard your Head Of State, foreign VIPs and engage in special Ops just to be poached by private sector organizations or high profile individuals. The Sudanese & Congolese are your yardstick?? Buure kabisa.


Yes, they are in fact. The congolese go without a salary for months. We need to ask ourselves how come, the HIGHEST PAID east africans can't lead a decent life, and we make comparisons, we are in Africa, and we must compare n contrast with peers, and get to know where we are going wrong. What is your yardstick? USA?

How can we benchmark with failed states? It is like a 20 year old competing in 100 metre race with an 80 year old and thumping his chest for beating the 80 year old. What kind of thinking is that?Liar
simonkabz
#44 Posted : Monday, December 02, 2013 1:02:52 PM
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Magigi wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
35k is peanuts? Go to hell! Find out what Ugandans, Ethiopians, Sudanese, Ugandans, Tanzanians, Rwandese, congolese, burundis are paid, before yapping away alongside our pathetic media. Probably LESS THAN HALF! Noisy clueless kenyans!


Ulinyimwa usiku au nini? That is for your most elite unit Recce who undergo training worth millions per serviceman/woman to guard your Head Of State, foreign VIPs and engage in special Ops just to be poached by private sector organizations or high profile individuals. The Sudanese & Congolese are your yardstick?? Buure kabisa.


Yes, they are in fact. The congolese go without a salary for months. We need to ask ourselves how come, the HIGHEST PAID east africans can't lead a decent life, and we make comparisons, we are in Africa, and we must compare n contrast with peers, and get to know where we are going wrong. What is your yardstick? USA?

How can we benchmark with failed states? It is like a 20 year old competing in 100 metre race with an 80 year old and thumping his chest for beating the 80 year old. What kind of thinking is that?Liar


Arguing with you I won't. Your thinking is beyond me so let me be. Just pass.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Magigi
#45 Posted : Monday, December 02, 2013 1:05:45 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
Magigi wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
35k is peanuts? Go to hell! Find out what Ugandans, Ethiopians, Sudanese, Ugandans, Tanzanians, Rwandese, congolese, burundis are paid, before yapping away alongside our pathetic media. Probably LESS THAN HALF! Noisy clueless kenyans!


Ulinyimwa usiku au nini? That is for your most elite unit Recce who undergo training worth millions per serviceman/woman to guard your Head Of State, foreign VIPs and engage in special Ops just to be poached by private sector organizations or high profile individuals. The Sudanese & Congolese are your yardstick?? Buure kabisa.


Yes, they are in fact. The congolese go without a salary for months. We need to ask ourselves how come, the HIGHEST PAID east africans can't lead a decent life, and we make comparisons, we are in Africa, and we must compare n contrast with peers, and get to know where we are going wrong. What is your yardstick? USA?

How can we benchmark with failed states? It is like a 20 year old competing in 100 metre race with an 80 year old and thumping his chest for beating the 80 year old. What kind of thinking is that?Liar


Arguing with you I won't. Your thinking is beyond me so let me be. Just pass.

Pass too...
tycho
#46 Posted : Monday, December 02, 2013 2:07:47 PM
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[quote=ecstacy]@tycho and those who haven't seen the feature, here it is. Watch then we deliberate after - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq5G7hWIZF0[/quote]

I have watched the clip @ecstacy. And I realize I didn't miss much.

And am not surprised that those who bear arms in the body politic are receiving low pay and live in harsh conditions; especially in a society with high inequality gaps.

The game is too zero sum then to allow for body guards who live in luxury. Their skill and power must be counter balanced, and they must not be businessmen either. Otherwise they'll get greedy and compromise security.

I have seen from the clip that the recce received a 3000 shillings raise, don't you think the figure was calculated?

What's happening is that the government isn't moving along with changes in power structure. Sometimes I hear of policemen engaging in business behind the scenes, and that they are among the most corrupt in the country; don't you think that corruption is also a security mechanism that keeps the police vigilant?

Even when a policeman is off duty he will walk around to find something for his pocket especially in high crime areas. Profiling is extensive, and intelligence networks are healthy and vibrant. Everyone is 'on toes'.

But if the policeman finds comfort in the camp, then criminals will overrun him and the government.


butterflyke
#47 Posted : Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:37:29 PM
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Okari could have done a better job of showing how the maslahi of the police/recce are not being taken care of accordingly.

Nevertheless, something needs to be done especially re allowances. One cannot put a price on the cost of a life lost by a bullet that this is part of remuneration for working in hazardous areas worldwide.

Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
mburuke
#48 Posted : Tuesday, December 03, 2013 4:10:55 PM
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I have been wondering is every cop at Recce company part of the vips security detail ama it acts as a pool where a select few are identified ? Its would be foolish for any head of state to poorly remunerate the guys he has entrusted with his/her life. Doesn't make any sense!
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ecstacy
#49 Posted : Tuesday, December 03, 2013 4:20:28 PM
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I'm 'reliably' informed the top police unit do earn some allowances even on the local trips they make with the Head Of State but these are off book to avoid disquiet from the rest of the force..if the system worked well no one would need off book allowances..
kiash
#50 Posted : Tuesday, December 03, 2013 4:37:46 PM
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maka wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
35k is peanuts? Go to hell! Find out what Ugandans, Ethiopians, Sudanese, Ugandans, Tanzanians, Rwandese, congolese, burundis are paid, before yapping away alongside our pathetic media. Probably LESS THAN HALF! Noisy clueless kenyans!


We are Kenyans not Congolese,Tanzanians,Rwandese etc we are meant to be the financial powerhouse of East Africa we arent looking up or at par with them its the reverse they are looking up to us and want to be at par with us...One of our clients is an ex elite french army commando who has settled in Kenya actually bought a house at riverside (sadly being swindled by an Akinyi) and just his pension is something to write home about...he has cancer and his being treated free of charge by his country...this are the things my country needs to be doing to the people who have served her diligently...comparing Kenya with some nondescript countries is just wrong.....


35 K for a regular police is OK but i think they need to pay the elite group double.
@Maka
Funny that you mentioned that, did you know even a poor fellow in France is assured of treatment, there has been news on guys coming from East Europe and are treated for TB for free in public hospitals and they stay upto 6 months.So this guys story is normal.More on that,i saw a small documentary on the poor conditions of the French Gendamerie they are forced to even repair the taps themselves,the French equivalent of "serve and suffer " mark you this is not the equivalent of the regular police.
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