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ICC HE Uhuru Kenyatta PORK - 12th November
washiku
#281 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2013 5:33:50 PM
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Hehehehehe...talk of power. Yani Kenya has successfully bullied the world to change rules to suit their current status? Diplomatic power house. smile smile
Shotgun
#282 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2013 5:44:34 PM
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washiku wrote:
Hehehehehe...talk of power. Yani Kenya has successfully bullied the world to change rules to suit their current status? Diplomatic power house. smile smile


Amina Mohammed is the real deal. I know she has been criticized by some quarters but she has just been doing her job. Defending her boss!
murchr
#283 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2013 7:33:09 PM
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Is Baraza's case still on?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Shotgun
#284 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2013 7:57:24 PM
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@AmnestyCIJ 6m
#ASP12 has formally adopted rule changes allowing appearance through video link & excusal for accused under summons. No vote, consensus.
Shotgun
#285 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:00:48 PM
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murchr wrote:
Is Baraza's case still on?

Case postponed to December 4th

MKWASI
#286 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:07:14 PM
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Shotgun wrote:
@AmnestyCIJ 6m
#ASP12 has formally adopted rule changes allowing appearance through video link & excusal for accused under summons. No vote, consensus.




Some progress......



wazuaguest
#287 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:05:40 PM
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Shotgun wrote:
washiku wrote:
Hehehehehe...talk of power. Yani Kenya has successfully bullied the world to change rules to suit their current status? Diplomatic power house. smile smile


Amina Mohammed is the real deal. I know she has been criticized by some quarters but she has just been doing her job. Defending her boss!

she understands global politics.but I think ICC played into their hands by flexing their the muscles granted by the state parties
Africa belongs to Africans.
limanika
#288 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:03:58 PM
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MKWASI wrote:
Shotgun wrote:
@AmnestyCIJ 6m
#ASP12 has formally adopted rule changes allowing appearance through video link & excusal for accused under summons. No vote, consensus.




Some progress......




If the rule has been so amended, it will be difficult for ICC to fail to grant the prayers for excusal - once filed. They would fall prey into the hands of African ASP member states, triggering mass walk out. Even then, best option for OTP is to raise hands sooner than later
githundi
#289 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:10:19 PM
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washiku wrote:
Hehehehehe...talk of power. Yani Kenya has successfully bullied the world to change rules to suit their current status? Diplomatic power house. smile smile

It's called a diplomatic coup.
It's a historic moment in Kenyan diplomacy.
Democracy does not belong to the dead
harrydre
#290 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:34:06 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
Am wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Siringi wrote:
And some idiots want my President to attend a court where . . .

"SURPRISE REQUEST

At the same meeting, called the Assembly of State Parties, ICC prosecutor Fatou Bensouda sprung a surprise request to amend the rules to allow her to use statements of witnesses not in court.....

Ms Bensouda wants pre-recorded audio, video and written statements from witnesses unable to be physically present in court, be accepted as evidence. The move came just as Kenya awaited a plenary decision on an amendment seeking to free suspects from physical presence in court through introduction of video conferencing.
Sad Sad Sad

You and I know where that is coming from no? Witnesses have varnished into thin air


Indeed me and you know witnesses have varnished in thin air, infact others have been made to varnish never to be seen again, I find it very funny that some of you expect the prosecutor to support the accused, where on earth yawa?


Again, if witnesses have vanished, why can't the man be courageous enough like his deputy and head to the courts?...and you'll still be celebrating when he is let go and proven "not guilty" because some witnesses were made to disappear...


@Nonstop..Doesn't the picture of your DEAR President sitting in a kangaroo courtroom in a distant land, staring at the roof for hours daiRy when he should be busy serving his people make you sad?


Remember his debate at Brookhouse, he explicitly indicated full cooperation with the courts. With a week case, he'll embarass the ICC Kangaroo court and come back to lead us....ama? Then once he is a free man, he will set up a tribunal to look for the PEV mercenaries and lock them in...ama he doesn't want justice for the PEV victims?


again you forget this is a political court and the hyenas have sold our soul to foreigners for their own gain. it's not a free and fair trial. Ocampo earlier had said he had solid evidence to prosecute, now bensuta says she needs 1b to investigate. open your godamn eyes and brain!!
i.am.back!!!!
harrydre
#291 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:38:33 PM
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ecstacy wrote:
masukuma wrote:
The cheering has begun!!! people rubbing their hands together in glee as if having a president full time at the ICC is beneficial to anyone.

i wrote this sometime back

masukuma wrote:
The Clown wrote:
@masukuma, glad to see you admit that these guys are a burden on the nation.

people didn't believe me when I said that we are going to have a difficult time ahead. some ODOMOs took that as a opportunity to gloat and point fingers... rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect of Kenya having a difficult time. why? coz they feel validated in shouting "choices have consequences".


what are the benefit do you see of having a president in the hague to 3 weeks seated in a room silent? why do we even have a president in the first place then if we can do without that particular office.


Hyena syndrome..

The ICC member nations will today determine whether Kenya goes pariah or not..fate based on the United Kingdom's behind the scene moves..they pull this stunt, we ask them to leave Laikipia first thing..


LOL who signs this contract? smile

http://www.the-star.co.k...ave-says-senator-kindiki
i.am.back!!!!
harrydre
#292 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:40:30 PM
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Shotgun wrote:
murchr wrote:
Is Baraza's case still on?

Case postponed to December 4th



to save themselves from embarrassment, they can jail and pay this former employee of theirs na ili iwe funzo kwa kiai's and makau mutuas.
i.am.back!!!!
murchr
#293 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:03:05 PM
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Did they ever get an Amicus Curiae for these cases?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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ecstacy
#294 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:42:39 PM
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harrydre wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
masukuma wrote:
The cheering has begun!!! people rubbing their hands together in glee as if having a president full time at the ICC is beneficial to anyone.

i wrote this sometime back

masukuma wrote:
[quote=The Clown]@masukuma, glad to see you admit that these guys are a burden on the nation.

people didn't believe me when I said that we are going to have a difficult time ahead. some ODOMOs took that as a opportunity to gloat and point fingers... rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect of Kenya having a difficult time. why? coz they feel validated in shouting "choices have consequences".


what are the benefit do you see of having a president in the hague to 3 weeks seated in a room silent? why do we even have a president in the first place then if we can do without that particular office.


Hyena syndrome..

The ICC member nations will today determine whether Kenya goes pariah or not..fate based on the United Kingdom's behind the scene moves..they pull this stunt, we ask them to leave Laikipia first thing..


LOL who signs this contract? smile

http://www.the-star.co.k...ve-says-senator-kindiki[/quote]

It's either lawyer representation or they exit their bases on our soil. The Commander In Chief of the Armed Forces in Kenya no longer finds their presence on Kenyan soil tenable. The cold war is over so are their strategic interests if not mutually beneficial.
Siringi
#295 Posted : Thursday, November 28, 2013 2:15:24 AM
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Uram wrote:
Breaking News; Uhuru to attend all sessions of his case


There was a dissenting opinion by ogaman which people are ignoring methinks it raises serious issues on jurisprudence at this kangaroo court

wapi wazua lawyers?
break it down

"πŸ˜–πŸ˜‘KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
Siringi
#296 Posted : Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:13:00 AM
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The dissenting opinion in summary Rink

International criminal court {ICC} Judge Chile Eboe-Osuji has termed the verdict by Trial Chamber V (b) reconsidering its previous decision excusing President Uhuru Kenyatta from continuous presence at trial a procedural flaw.

In his dissenting opinion Judge Eboe-Osuji argued that the decision that is the object of the Prosecutor's request was the Majority decision that he and Judge Fremr made adding Presiding Judge Kuniko Ozaki was not part of that decision.

"She was then in dissent. As a dissenting judge, she has no standing, in my view, to reconsider a decision that she did not make,” Judge Eboe-Osuji differed.

Eboe-Osuji added that common sense does not permit Judge Ozaki to subrogate herself, as a dissenting judge, into the position of a member of the Majority who is still in the case, in order to revise a decision that a critical member of the deciding Majority had refused to reconsider.

β€œNo legal authority of any sort has been cited in support of proceeding in that way. The precedent that this decision sets is a very dangerous one, indeed. It is especially so in this Court, where there are no rules governing reconsideration,” he warned.

He added that following the decision to overturn the majority decision although one of the new majority was not truly a part of the decision being changed then no majority decision will be safe from such practice or precedent.

β€œThe move strikes at the very core of judicial independence. It is not to be encouraged,” he dissented.

Eboe-Osuji further said the recent developments around the affairs of the Court in recent months must be considered as factorial in the eventual settling of the Court's law, practice and procedure in the matter of proceedings against heads of state and heads of government and their presence during the trials in which they are accused persons.

β€œThese developments concern events at the African Union, the UN Security Council and the Assembly of States Parties. The African Union insists that no African head of state or head of government should stand trial at the ICC,” he said.

Eboe-Osuji said the AU urged the UN Security Council to defer the Kenyatta case on the basis of article 16 of the Statute reckoning that seven members of the Council voted in favor while the rest abstained and the necessary nine vote majority was not reached to achieve the deferral.

β€œThe general understanding was that the Security Council members who abstained were of the position that the concerns of the African Union and of Kenya were best addressed at the Assembly of States Parties of the ICC,” he said.

Judge Eboe-Osuji added that at its amplest, the proposal may achieve a minimum of that outcome but whatever be the case, the proposal will generate debates on the floor of the Twelveth session of the ASP in which States Parties will directly express themselves in a manner that may convey a useful picture of state practice that the Appeals Chamber may see fit to take into account in any decision that they may make in respect of the Kenyatta case.

β€œSuch a picture of state practice that was not present during the Appeals Chamber's deliberation in the Ruto case may well yield a different result in a Kenyatta appeal,” he concluded.
"πŸ˜–πŸ˜‘KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
Siringi
#297 Posted : Thursday, November 28, 2013 4:01:20 PM
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ION

Choices have consequences


"πŸ˜–πŸ˜‘KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
washiku
#298 Posted : Thursday, November 28, 2013 4:15:55 PM
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Siringi wrote:
ION

Choices have consequences




Even non members have accepted smile
harrydre
#299 Posted : Thursday, November 28, 2013 5:16:49 PM
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washiku wrote:
Siringi wrote:
ION

Choices have consequences




Even non members have accepted smile


Kweli Kenya is powerful.
i.am.back!!!!
washiku
#300 Posted : Thursday, November 28, 2013 5:31:42 PM
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harrydre wrote:
washiku wrote:
Siringi wrote:
ION

Choices have consequences




Even non members have accepted smile


Kweli Kenya is powerful.


Personally I find the latest as a win-win compared to postponing the case. Let the lawyers do their work at Hague as the dynamic duo do their job here. That way, its a win.
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