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Kenya's Foreign Policy
masukuma
#21 Posted : Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:56:06 AM
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Swenani wrote:
masukuma wrote:
I have said it here over and over again (feel free to quote me) - the World is a supermarket! you pick what you want and leave what you want. I know some Christians are pissed of at the Palestine move (the "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee." group of persons). it's a good move by Kenya! (quick question - who actually says Jerusalem in the hands of Israelis will be peaceful? Jerusalem has changed hands 11 times - The Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Persians, Byzantines, Arabs, Crusaders, the Mamelukes, the Turks and the British). Secondly those investors kama hawataki kukuja kenya waende kwingine. just because you are friendly to Palestinians that does not make you hostile to Israelis. sometimes all other UNSC members vote for a resolution and US vetos it. are all other nations opposed to Israel?

the states in green recognize Palestine, the states in Red don't, the yellows abstained from the vote to upgrade palestine from observer to a "non-member observer state"


Some of the supermarkets are not well stocked.Some sell expired milk and you cant get a refund or a replacement for the expired milk

soma statement yangu... THE WORLD IS A SUPERMARKET!! its one big supermarket. you get Tea from Kenya, coffee from Ethiopia, software from the US, sugar from brazil, electronics from Japan and china e.t.c. there is one word that rules this world its 'interests' everyone has interests! you would be silly if your interests were 'to protect the interests' of other people who don't give a rat's behind about your interests.
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maka
#22 Posted : Thursday, November 21, 2013 4:44:27 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#23 Posted : Thursday, November 21, 2013 7:21:51 PM
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UHURU and RUTO must be damn good charmers, they have managed to drag Africa into their ICC problem and I must say I like.

UG, Rwanda, Nigeria, Ethiopia seem to be solidly behind us, SA the only other significant player in the continent is willing to listen. The other subsaharan countries are inconsiquential. I bet the Arab world is his next stop, you need friends voting pro you at the UN even when it means nothing. The bigger the numbers with us the better.

I am not pro cosying with China, Russia or India, they are too big for us to be real friends and I bet they will dump us when necessary should new interests present themselves.

The west is not going anywhere, they are long term planners and are probably happy to watch us dance ourselves silly in protest. The US, UK have too much investments in Kenya to let go so trust me there is no turning East or in any other direction. We are still within the length of our leash and should we try and graze too far from the tether, we will be pulled back immeadiately.

Kenya has no standing in world matters, but Africa does, Kudos UHURUTO.
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Pedes
#24 Posted : Thursday, November 21, 2013 7:41:47 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
UHURU and RUTO must be damn good charmers, they have managed to drag Africa into their ICC problem and I must say I like.

UG, Rwanda, Nigeria, Ethiopia seem to be solidly behind us, SA the only other significant player in the continent is willing to listen. The other subsaharan countries are inconsiquential. I bet the Arab world is his next stop, you need friends voting pro you at the UN even when it means nothing. The bigger the numbers with us the better.

I am not pro cosying with China, Russia or India, they are too big for us to be real friends and I bet they will dump us when necessary should new interests present themselves.

The west is not going anywhere, they are long term planners and are probably happy to watch us dance ourselves silly in protest. The US, UK have too much investments in Kenya to let go so trust me there is no turning East or in any other direction. We are still within the length of our leash and should we try and graze too far from the tether, we will be pulled back immeadiately.

Kenya has no standing in world matters, but Africa does, Kudos UHURUTO.
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The ICC is very much a Euro institution. With it Kenya can poke as much as we want. So here the leash ain't that tight. But try that with Bretton Woods Institutions, hawesmek. The African countries that are with us, is it because we have a valid point, or, are they escorting us to ruin; what are their interests in this?
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limanika
#25 Posted : Thursday, November 21, 2013 9:06:08 PM
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Pedes wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
UHURU and RUTO must be damn good charmers, they have managed to drag Africa into their ICC problem and I must say I like.

UG, Rwanda, Nigeria, Ethiopia seem to be solidly behind us, SA the only other significant player in the continent is willing to listen. The other subsaharan countries are inconsiquential. I bet the Arab world is his next stop, you need friends voting pro you at the UN even when it means nothing. The bigger the numbers with us the better.

I am not pro cosying with China, Russia or India, they are too big for us to be real friends and I bet they will dump us when necessary should new interests present themselves.

The west is not going anywhere, they are long term planners and are probably happy to watch us dance ourselves silly in protest. The US, UK have too much investments in Kenya to let go so trust me there is no turning East or in any other direction. We are still within the length of our leash and should we try and graze too far from the tether, we will be pulled back immeadiately.

Kenya has no standing in world matters, but Africa does, Kudos UHURUTO.
.

The ICC is very much a Euro institution. With it Kenya can poke as much as we want. So here the leash ain't that tight. But try that with Bretton Woods Institutions, hawesmek. The African countries that are with us, is it because we have a valid point, or, are they escorting us to ruin; what are their interests in this?



There is something that brings us together as Africans. Picture this:
.We all know that Kenyan PEV is a pale shadow compared to what has happened in Syria. Yet, ICC can never intervene since Russia would veto such a decision at UN. Yet none of the PRO-ICC western countries is proposing amendments to the statute to correct this anomaly. At the same time, the same countries are pushing hard for ICC to tighten noose on our own democratically elected leaders entangled in a weak political case.
.In the community of nations, there is a lot of contempt for Africa. It is the only major continent without a permanent seat at UN. Europe has 3, Asia has 2 (Russia is both in Europe and Asia)
.African Union resolutions representing 34 members do not count much at UN and ICC. Britain, a lone member, has more say.
.US, Russia, China, though not being members of ICC, are allowed to bulldoze the ICC
.The ICC is on record giving civil society activists red carpet treatment, while ignoring AU resolutions
. Mungiki self-confessed criminals are given red carpet treatment by OTP, our elected PORK and DPORK are treated with contempt by OTP
. Historically, people of Africa has suffered more than any other peoples. Slave trade over the centuries, plunder of resources, and now marginalisation at world affairs
I think the solution is for African countries to pull out of UN en-masse.
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#26 Posted : Thursday, November 21, 2013 9:25:45 PM
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limanika wrote:

I think the solution is for African countries to pull out of UN en-masse.

I watched Jendayi Frazer in an interview with KBC 2 weeks ago.

She argued that the World needs rethink the composition of the UN. It is structured along World War II outcome. A war that happened 70 yrs ago!
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limanika
#27 Posted : Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:05:47 PM
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The composition of UN is not sustainable going forward. Someday things will have to change. The 70 years is the lifetime of a mortal, and it is shameful that UN has not changed much. However, things will have to change at some point down the road. As soon as China or India overtakes US in economic terms, and US dollar is no longer the reserve currency, US will cease being indispensable, and change will be inevitable.
maka
#28 Posted : Thursday, November 21, 2013 11:21:45 PM
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limanika wrote:
The composition of UN is not sustainable going forward. Someday things will have to change. The 70 years is the lifetime of a mortal, and it is shameful that UN has not changed much. However, things will have to change at some point down the road. As soon as China or India overtakes US in economic terms, and US dollar is no longer the reserve currency, US will cease being indispensable, and change will be inevitable.


2050 onwards...
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tycho
#29 Posted : Friday, November 22, 2013 12:12:28 AM
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'Foreign policy' is 'personal interest' in a 'national mask'. The mask hides the real issues that are selfish and sometimes ill informed. Grappling with the mask is misleading.

Then Kenya's FP may be too old fashioned even in approaching the Hague cases. There's a new world order emerging, but Kenya is sticking to the old.

Maybe in the new world Kenya won't even exist.
Pedes
#30 Posted : Friday, November 22, 2013 9:18:01 AM
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tycho wrote:
'Foreign policy' is 'personal interest' in a 'national mask'. The mask hides the real issues that are selfish and sometimes ill informed. Grappling with the mask is misleading.

Then Kenya's FP may be too old fashioned even in approaching the Hague cases. There's a new world order emerging, but Kenya is sticking to the old.

Maybe in the new world Kenya won't even exist.



Very true. But Developed countries mask their personal interests in form of corporations. When these corporations are threatened then issues get nasty, think Zimbabwe. Mugambe was okay with the anti west talk, but when he moved on the farms....
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