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Ngong
#16 Posted : Friday, November 15, 2013 10:09:44 AM
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9.999/12=0.83325 per month minus 15% Tax.
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mukiha
#17 Posted : Friday, November 15, 2013 12:33:34 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
@tbill/ bond investors.
What would you advice.
1. To buy bonds/tbills directly from CBK
2. To join a money market fund traing in tbills/bonds.

also do stock brokers/investment banks help to trade in tbills/bonds? or is it better to go direct through CBK.

regards


Note also that there are times when MMFs pay higher than the T-Bill average. Good to keep your eye on the rates regularly.

MMFs are currently ranging from 5.78 % [CBA] and 9.94% (Madison and Amana] - BUT not clear if these figures are net of wht.

Yesterday's T-Bill average was 9.979 = 8.85@ after wht.

Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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digitek1
#18 Posted : Friday, November 15, 2013 12:41:16 PM
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mukiha wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@tbill/ bond investors.
What would you advice.
1. To buy bonds/tbills directly from CBK
2. To join a money market fund traing in tbills/bonds.

also do stock brokers/investment banks help to trade in tbills/bonds? or is it better to go direct through CBK.

regards


Note also that there are times when MMFs pay higher than the T-Bill average. Good to keep your eye on the rates regularly.

MMFs are currently ranging from 5.78 % [CBA] and 9.94% (Madison and Amana] - BUT not clear if these figures are net of wht.

Yesterday's T-Bill average was 9.979 = 8.85@ after wht.


so why not just invest in faulu?
I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Pesa Nane
#19 Posted : Friday, November 15, 2013 1:16:13 PM
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Location: 08c
murchr wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
murchr wrote:
What are the current rates?


As at 08 November 2013:

Benchmark
Value
Week Change

91-Day Treasury Bill
9.999%
▲ 1.500 bps

182-Day Treasury Bill
10.559%
▲ 5.700 bps

364-Day Treasury Bill
10.994%
▲ 4.100 bps

2 Year Treasury Bond
11.392%
0.000 bps

5 Year Treasury Bond
11.961%
▲ 28.120 bps

10 Year Treasury Bond
12.933%
▲ 8.270 bps

15 Year Treasury Bond
13.394%
0.000 bps

20 Year Treasury Bond
13.655%
0.000 bps

27 Year Treasury Bond
13.999%
0.000 bps

/D&B


Thanks @Pesa Nane...the interest is low.

Who would be in the know on how a wanjiku like me can participate in bonds eg the Kengen bond and other infrastructure bonds that are advertised? BONDS 101

Just walk into CBK (or your stock broker or banker) and demand for an account opening form. Fill, return to CBK and your virtual account is ready in 7 days.
Bond purchases can be done in person, or thro banks and stock brokers (most banks will charge you a commission even though they are paid a commission by the issuer).
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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maka
#20 Posted : Friday, November 15, 2013 1:21:34 PM
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Location: Nairobi
digitek1 wrote:
mukiha wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@tbill/ bond investors.
What would you advice.
1. To buy bonds/tbills directly from CBK
2. To join a money market fund traing in tbills/bonds.

also do stock brokers/investment banks help to trade in tbills/bonds? or is it better to go direct through CBK.

regards


Note also that there are times when MMFs pay higher than the T-Bill average. Good to keep your eye on the rates regularly.

MMFs are currently ranging from 5.78 % [CBA] and 9.94% (Madison and Amana] - BUT not clear if these figures are net of wht.

Yesterday's T-Bill average was 9.979 = 8.85@ after wht.


so why not just invest in faulu?


Default risk...
possunt quia posse videntur
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mukiha
#21 Posted : Friday, November 15, 2013 1:43:23 PM
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Joined: 6/27/2008
Posts: 4,114
digitek1 wrote:
mukiha wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@tbill/ bond investors.
What would you advice.
1. To buy bonds/tbills directly from CBK
2. To join a money market fund traing in tbills/bonds.

also do stock brokers/investment banks help to trade in tbills/bonds? or is it better to go direct through CBK.

regards


Note also that there are times when MMFs pay higher than the T-Bill average. Good to keep your eye on the rates regularly.

MMFs are currently ranging from 5.78 % [CBA] and 9.94% (Madison and Amana] - BUT not clear if these figures are net of wht.

Yesterday's T-Bill average was 9.979 = 8.85@ after wht.


so why not just invest in faulu?


Faulu offers fixed deposit accounts - cash not available on demand.

T-Bill is also like fixed deposit but can be traded for cash in secondary market if cash is required.

MMFs cash is available on demand; most will RTGS to your account in 72hrs

Now take your pick
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Ali Baba
#22 Posted : Friday, November 15, 2013 3:00:29 PM
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Mukiha....stop misleading others.TBills CAN'T be traded in the secondary market currently.But one can discount them at CBK and giveaway a small percent of Your earnings ....
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Impunity
#23 Posted : Thursday, December 05, 2013 6:40:05 PM
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Ali Baba wrote:
Mukiha....stop misleading others.TBills CAN'T be traded in the secondary market currently.But one can discount them at CBK and giveaway a small percent of Your earnings ....


I too thought so.
Portfolio: Sold
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kizee1
#24 Posted : Friday, December 06, 2013 10:27:41 AM
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Ali Baba wrote:
Mukiha....stop misleading others.TBills CAN'T be traded in the secondary market currently.But one can discount them at CBK and giveaway a small percent of Your earnings ....



this is not true, a tbill can be traded as an OTC instrument though
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mukiha
#25 Posted : Monday, December 09, 2013 1:07:52 PM
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kizee1 wrote:
Ali Baba wrote:
Mukiha....stop misleading others.TBills CAN'T be traded in the secondary market currently.But one can discount them at CBK and giveaway a small percent of Your earnings ....



this is not true, a tbill can be traded as an OTC instrument though


And you have to forgo a significant portion of the interest! Otherwise, why should I buy from you when I can wait a few days and buy direct from CBK? You, however, might be looking at two months to maturity, and you need the cash pap.... It's a buyer's market!
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Aguytrying
#26 Posted : Monday, December 09, 2013 6:04:44 PM
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mukiha wrote:
kizee1 wrote:
Ali Baba wrote:
Mukiha....stop misleading others.TBills CAN'T be traded in the secondary market currently.But one can discount them at CBK and giveaway a small percent of Your earnings ....



this is not true, a tbill can be traded as an OTC instrument though


And you have to forgo a significant portion of the interest! Otherwise, why should I buy from you when I can wait a few days and buy direct from CBK? You, however, might be looking at two months to maturity, and you need the cash pap.... It's a buyer's market!


thanks. money market it is. cic do only yr issues only.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Kihara joni
#27 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 2:16:24 PM
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what are the current Tbills rates? or where can I get this info
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Ali Baba
#28 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 3:52:42 PM
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Kihara joni wrote:
what are the current Tbills rates? or where can I get this info

Www.centralbank.go.ke
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xtina
#29 Posted : Monday, May 12, 2014 10:45:11 AM
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A diasporan friend wants to invest 3 million in tbills or bonds. What would you advise? Bills or bonds, MMF or CBK directly?
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Tall Order
#30 Posted : Monday, May 12, 2014 11:07:27 AM
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Location: Nairobi
Currently the Money Market Funds offer better returns than the T-Bills. Bonds require long term investment, which is money you don't need in the medium term.

Top MMFs are Amana Capital, Zimele, CIC, Madison Asset, Britam & GenCap.
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