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Pesa Nane
#11 Posted : Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:09:41 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 5/25/2012
Posts: 4,105
Location: 08c
murchr wrote:
What are the current rates?


As at 08 November 2013:

Benchmark
Value
Week Change

91-Day Treasury Bill
9.999%
▲ 1.500 bps

182-Day Treasury Bill
10.559%
▲ 5.700 bps

364-Day Treasury Bill
10.994%
▲ 4.100 bps

2 Year Treasury Bond
11.392%
0.000 bps

5 Year Treasury Bond
11.961%
▲ 28.120 bps

10 Year Treasury Bond
12.933%
▲ 8.270 bps

15 Year Treasury Bond
13.394%
0.000 bps

20 Year Treasury Bond
13.655%
0.000 bps

27 Year Treasury Bond
13.999%
0.000 bps

/D&B
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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Dahatre
#12 Posted : Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:58:23 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 12/21/2009
Posts: 602
Guys:

Please warn the absent minded among us when it's an old post! Almost ran to rob a bank to buy T-bills when I saw the 19% return rate from 2012...

Thanks pesa nane for the update.
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Aguytrying
#13 Posted : Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:13:35 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/11/2010
Posts: 5,040
@tbill/ bond investors.
What would you advice.
1. To buy bonds/tbills directly from CBK
2. To join a money market fund traing in tbills/bonds.

also do stock brokers/investment banks help to trade in tbills/bonds? or is it better to go direct through CBK.

regards
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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mkonomtupu
#14 Posted : Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:33:42 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 2/10/2010
Posts: 1,001
Location: River Road
Aguytrying wrote:
@tbill/ bond investors.
What would you advice.
1. To buy bonds/tbills directly from CBK
2. To join a money market fund traing in tbills/bonds.

also do stock brokers/investment banks help to trade in tbills/bonds? or is it better to go direct through CBK.

regards



for bonds you are better off in a bond fund. If you have an emergency it can be a nightmare selling those bonds when interest rates change. Stock brokers trade bonds and if they can't get a buyer they send you to CBK for redemption.

T-bills you can manage if you have the time to keep doing roll-over when the t-bill matures. Good for retirees but if you are busy it's easier to just buy a money market fund let them do the dirty work and credit your interest
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murchr
#15 Posted : Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:44:20 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Pesa Nane wrote:
murchr wrote:
What are the current rates?


As at 08 November 2013:

Benchmark
Value
Week Change

91-Day Treasury Bill
9.999%
▲ 1.500 bps

182-Day Treasury Bill
10.559%
▲ 5.700 bps

364-Day Treasury Bill
10.994%
▲ 4.100 bps

2 Year Treasury Bond
11.392%
0.000 bps

5 Year Treasury Bond
11.961%
▲ 28.120 bps

10 Year Treasury Bond
12.933%
▲ 8.270 bps

15 Year Treasury Bond
13.394%
0.000 bps

20 Year Treasury Bond
13.655%
0.000 bps

27 Year Treasury Bond
13.999%
0.000 bps

/D&B


Thanks @Pesa Nane...the interest is low.

Who would be in the know on how a wanjiku like me can participate in bonds eg the Kengen bond and other infrastructure bonds that are advertised? BONDS 101
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Ngong
#16 Posted : Friday, November 15, 2013 10:09:44 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 11/17/2012
Posts: 1,461
Location: Ngong Forest
9.999/12=0.83325 per month minus 15% Tax.
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mukiha
#17 Posted : Friday, November 15, 2013 12:33:34 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/27/2008
Posts: 4,114
Aguytrying wrote:
@tbill/ bond investors.
What would you advice.
1. To buy bonds/tbills directly from CBK
2. To join a money market fund traing in tbills/bonds.

also do stock brokers/investment banks help to trade in tbills/bonds? or is it better to go direct through CBK.

regards


Note also that there are times when MMFs pay higher than the T-Bill average. Good to keep your eye on the rates regularly.

MMFs are currently ranging from 5.78 % [CBA] and 9.94% (Madison and Amana] - BUT not clear if these figures are net of wht.

Yesterday's T-Bill average was 9.979 = 8.85@ after wht.

Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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digitek1
#18 Posted : Friday, November 15, 2013 12:41:16 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 2/3/2010
Posts: 1,797
Location: Kenya
mukiha wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@tbill/ bond investors.
What would you advice.
1. To buy bonds/tbills directly from CBK
2. To join a money market fund traing in tbills/bonds.

also do stock brokers/investment banks help to trade in tbills/bonds? or is it better to go direct through CBK.

regards


Note also that there are times when MMFs pay higher than the T-Bill average. Good to keep your eye on the rates regularly.

MMFs are currently ranging from 5.78 % [CBA] and 9.94% (Madison and Amana] - BUT not clear if these figures are net of wht.

Yesterday's T-Bill average was 9.979 = 8.85@ after wht.


so why not just invest in faulu?
I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Pesa Nane
#19 Posted : Friday, November 15, 2013 1:16:13 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 5/25/2012
Posts: 4,105
Location: 08c
murchr wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
murchr wrote:
What are the current rates?


As at 08 November 2013:

Benchmark
Value
Week Change

91-Day Treasury Bill
9.999%
▲ 1.500 bps

182-Day Treasury Bill
10.559%
▲ 5.700 bps

364-Day Treasury Bill
10.994%
▲ 4.100 bps

2 Year Treasury Bond
11.392%
0.000 bps

5 Year Treasury Bond
11.961%
▲ 28.120 bps

10 Year Treasury Bond
12.933%
▲ 8.270 bps

15 Year Treasury Bond
13.394%
0.000 bps

20 Year Treasury Bond
13.655%
0.000 bps

27 Year Treasury Bond
13.999%
0.000 bps

/D&B


Thanks @Pesa Nane...the interest is low.

Who would be in the know on how a wanjiku like me can participate in bonds eg the Kengen bond and other infrastructure bonds that are advertised? BONDS 101

Just walk into CBK (or your stock broker or banker) and demand for an account opening form. Fill, return to CBK and your virtual account is ready in 7 days.
Bond purchases can be done in person, or thro banks and stock brokers (most banks will charge you a commission even though they are paid a commission by the issuer).
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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maka
#20 Posted : Friday, November 15, 2013 1:21:34 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
digitek1 wrote:
mukiha wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@tbill/ bond investors.
What would you advice.
1. To buy bonds/tbills directly from CBK
2. To join a money market fund traing in tbills/bonds.

also do stock brokers/investment banks help to trade in tbills/bonds? or is it better to go direct through CBK.

regards


Note also that there are times when MMFs pay higher than the T-Bill average. Good to keep your eye on the rates regularly.

MMFs are currently ranging from 5.78 % [CBA] and 9.94% (Madison and Amana] - BUT not clear if these figures are net of wht.

Yesterday's T-Bill average was 9.979 = 8.85@ after wht.


so why not just invest in faulu?


Default risk...
possunt quia posse videntur
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