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starr
#21 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:43:00 PM
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be consistent kausha. it cannot be good when equity do it but suspect when barclays do so. even if equity took a massive hit,a slightly higher provision would have seen them record profit stagnation or a decline relative to last year. but q2 awaits them. granted we do not have access to their loan books to see exactly what transpired in each loan at each bank so we can all just speculate/criticize. nothing wrong with that cause we are weighing everything b4 making a decision to buy/sell/bank. banks use llp all the time to intelligently manipulate profits esp on unaudited results. do you think cbk have time to review the classification of each loan at each of the 42 banks every quarter so that they can make sure the provisions are applied to the letter? it is sometimes a means to buy time in anticipation of better performance within the year so as to announce respectable income even after the audited end of year provisions.
mozenrat
#22 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2009 3:54:00 PM
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CBK has very specific rules about provisioning for bad loans. Loans are categorised according to the probability of payment based on history of past payments... Categories include normal,substandard,doubtful and bad debts.... Just because the loan portfolio has grown,doesn't mean the provisions have to.... as long as the bad debts haven't... Anyone with the figures on bad debts????
mozenrat
#23 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2009 3:56:00 PM
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Can IFRS's 'outlaw'??... Aren't they just guidelines??? What are the rules in Kenya?? Must a company be guided by IFRS's in financial reporting?? What if its parent is subject to foreign GAAPs??
Mainat
#24 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:12:00 PM
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Mozrat-a bit confused are ye? Correct,CBK has those categories. Note,that a bank writes-off bad debt and then decides whether to provide (hence loan loss provision) for the doubtful loans. The issue that is being discussed is whether Equity has under-provided for the doubtful loans in Q1.

I think listed firms and other firms in Kenya are free to choose which reporting standards to reporting under but they can't mix. I believe (accountants prease confirm),that in Kenya,firms follow either UK GAAP or IFRS (aka IAS?). I believe that if a firm reports under IFRS,it has to take the cost hits or income as they occur rather than holding some back for a rainy day.


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adept
#25 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2009 7:00:00 AM
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The concern here is not the Central Bank's rules on provisioning.

It is interrogating if and how Banks can internally manipulate loan provisions for their benefit during reporting.

It can happen. Of course banking is based on integrity a huge deal so we can only hope not...for all our sakes.
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