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Equity 1Q Results
stonemimi
#1 Posted : Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:11:00 AM
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They are out this afternoon. The share price facing down. Any predictions?

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#2 Posted : Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:20:00 AM
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Most likely the share price won't move by much or will go down. The NSE is having issues of lack of trust and depressed investor interest. I think this share will settle at Kshs 13 to 14 even if EB profit goes up by more than 50% - highly unlikely
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#3 Posted : Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:16:00 PM
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1st Qtr is up 29%. Not so bad for a diehard shareholders. However considering that the comparison is done basing on 1st Qtr 08 which experienced a lot of challenges. Therefore the results can be said to be dismal or worse declined in comparison to last Qtr...The price will definately head south au sio!
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luxel
#4 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 5:07:00 AM
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They are finally running out of tricks. Can you imagine with all the safaricom ipo loans,they want us to belief that their loan loss provision is only kshs.54 million. The whole of last year they provided for kshs.1 Billion.

Assuming they made a reasonable provision of kshs.360M then the reasonable Q1 profit should be kshs.800M. This does not look good.
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#5 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 5:10:00 AM
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The results are OK but dissapointing. I expect the results to be interpreted that Equity has now come to the end of its super rapid growth phase. All along that has been the reason why it has commanded a much higher PE than other banks. Note that Equity has now been overtaken from being the fastest growing among the listed banks by banks such as Diamond Trust which grew their PAT by 36% in Q1 against Equity's 26%.

The growth trajectory may slow even further if not dissapear altogether in the 2nd Qtr given the very huge contribution of the Safaricom IPO to Equity's Q208 results. I would expect Equity to trade at a lower PE within a range of 10 to 13 under the current economic conditions down from 14,although ocassional speculative pressures could push it to 15 but this can now not be sustained for long.


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#6 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 7:23:00 AM
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Good results...revenues grew by 52% and interest income grew by 89%,but operating expenses up 69%.51 branches yet to break even and already has 36 branches in UG...over expansion starting to bite....this rabid growth aint gonna end well in a prolonged slow down...KCB might be first to go down the drain.just common sense,I think.
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#7 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 7:43:00 AM
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29% growth largely in an economy that grew by 1.7%!! As an investor I'm happy else we expect miracles!
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#8 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 8:01:00 AM
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136% Rise in bad debts points to trouble for the back.Something tyo be afraid of.

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#9 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 8:40:00 AM
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The loan loss provision is going raise a lot of eye brows.
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#10 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 9:01:00 AM
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The elaborate ponzi scheme is slowly unraveling. Dont say you were never warned.
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#11 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 9:26:00 AM
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Hapo iko maneno,less provision on loan loss when the loaned amounts have grown.....mmmmh!!!.....clearly they want the profits to look higher!!!!!

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The General
#12 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 10:46:00 AM
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Assumption 1

LLP should have been somewhere in the range of approx 300m. True/False?


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Mainat
#13 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 10:53:00 AM
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Ngwono,Eli and other prayerful brethren are needed here. I counted 6 eminent commentators out of 11- who are clueless in reading financial statements!
1stly,the A in accounts stands for the 4 types of accounts that make up the financial statement. A balance sheet,Profit and Loss acc,Cash Flow Statement and the less well know shareholder movements. Please learn what they all do.
Suffice to say that non-performing loans (NPL) are a balance sheet item. They are therefore cumulative over time reducing or increasing. CBK has specific rules around when a loan can be declared as an NPL. I believe this after 90 days of non-payment. A non-performing loan is still a loan. It’s just that it’s not doing what its supposed i.e. being reduced at a given time.

The loan loss provision is a P&L item and is therefore not cumulative. It reflects the fact that there is no chance a bank will recover an NPL. There are specific rules around when you can take a LLP hit in your P&L mainly to do with probability of recovering the loan. Its therefore possible to have Ksh10bn of npl and not take a hit on a given quarter based on your assessment of all the various loan that make up this Ksh1obn
Equity took a Ksh1bn hit in ’08 to reflect the fact that out of its Ksh2.7bn npls,the probability of recovering Ksh1bn is very low. For the other Ksh1.7bn,it clearly deems that they are still recoverable.

Saying all that,I expected 40% growth in Q1 and probably 20% in Q2. These are the two quarters it benefited from Safcom…

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Tusker Baridi
#14 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 11:45:00 AM
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Mainat

Dont change the subject,the issue here is that NPL are up 138% yet provision for these loans are down 59%. In an environment when the economy is shrinking and massive layoffs are the order of the day,shouldnt they be increasing provisions for NPLs?

Bottom line is that Equity is cooking its books to hide the fact that they are over-extended and over-leveraged. But the truth is slowly coming out.
Mainat
#15 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 12:34:00 PM
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Change of subject? Errm-you missed my explanation below by a mile.

Never mind. Enjoy your weekend...


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starr
#16 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 12:47:00 PM
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@Mainat or any other sk user : A quick one is it possible for a bank to use the loan loss provision to inflate profits in their unaudited reports? isn't there a significant level of subjectivity and discretion in arriving at the final figure?
assuming worst case scenario CBK is playing ball.
nyari
#17 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 1:59:00 PM
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@ Mainat,

Banks traditionally increase LLP to reduce their profits & hence deny the tax man his dues for a rainy day; check all Q1 published results from baks. The term provision is used because they are actually 'providing' for losses emanating from bad loans. if a loan becomes hardcore then its written off and expensed as such (bad loans written off). I actually need a good explanation from an insider on what their finance guys were upto.

The good thing is that they are now looking to expand outside the country a they might have realised the Kenyan market is slowly creeping into the plateau phase.

Any bank whose net income goes up by more than 15% this quarter will raise a red flag on my radar.
gabrini
#18 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:00:00 AM
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Hey i don't have anything sinister about this bank but it seems something aint right.from morning their systems are completely dead cant access your balance nor make withdrawals,they're just accepting deposits.is this a sigh of what is coming at the end of the month
The General
#19 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:40:00 AM
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I read in one of the dailies recently that:

Interviews with players revealed that Equity Bank appears to be the only major bank with enough liquidity to lend to others.

http://www.nation.co.ke/magazines/smartcompany
/-/1226/602816/-/satbs5z/-/index.html


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Kausha
#20 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:24:00 PM
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There wasn't book cooking,what happened is that most of the loans are small and they were already showing weakness last year. Management went conservative way and provided well ahead of the provision trigger -90 days unpaid,Equity's provisions for last were were 1 billion which was out of line with previous trends but it as to address the weakness. KCB appears to have done so as well thus low quarter 1 provisions. The cooks are in BBK,low provisions althrough even as the NPL book grows and which we all suspect is understated given the mess they ran into trying to do an MPESA like campaign and sales of consumer loans.
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