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Whose Justice? #ICC
a4architect.com
#11 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 9:57:30 AM
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Hunderwear wrote:
Why are some wazuans so naive???So u guys think that the owners of ICC has interests of victims at heart?U need to think again.This a game of interests and victims and their justice are just collateral damage in greater scheme


ICC would have appeared fair to all if it included all aspects of PEV around the country such as this here in Kibera/huruma slums. Watch how a guy gets his hand cut off from the wrist

At minute 4.50, he says it happened in Huruma slums in jan 20th, 2008.

http://www.youtube.com/w...edded&v=6_fpLfzunXw

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The Clown
#12 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 1:56:52 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
Hunderwear wrote:
Why are some wazuans so naive???So u guys think that the owners of ICC has interests of victims at heart?U need to think again.This a game of interests and victims and their justice are just collateral damage in greater scheme


ICC would have appeared fair to all if it included all aspects of PEV around the country such as this here in Kibera/huruma slums. Watch how a guy gets his hand cut off from the wrist

At minute 4.50, he says it happened in Huruma slums in jan 20th, 2008.

http://www.youtube.com/w...edded&v=6_fpLfzunXw



I didn't watch the video, lest it trigger bad memories which I don't want to deal with right now.

But I agree 100% with what you say: three men are being made to pay for the sins of a multitude. The police who killed hundreds in the Nyanza, Rift Valley and Western provinces got away scot free.

The young men in mashinani who marked out their neighbours' houses and burnt them while killing and raping their owners are walking as free men today.

I remember Boniface Mwangi documented the slum PEV very well. These guys got away just like that.

The middle class who gleefully spread hatred on the internet and via SMS are today shouting loudest about the ICC from the comfort of their living rooms.

We spurned a number of golden chances to establish a special tribunal locally. This, in my view, would have helped start the justice process immediately and put us on the road to resolving our differences. It would have been an opportunity to carefully unravel the PEV networks from the masterminds down to the ordinary folk.

It would also have forced a political solution to supplement the justice process.

Rwanda, Sierra Leone and Liberia have gone through that process and are now rebuilding themselves.

We didn't do that and now, six years later, are still struggling with the fallout from that madness. Negative ethnicity is at an all-time high and our moral standards have gone down the drain.
masukuma
#13 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 2:09:49 PM
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The Clown wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
Hunderwear wrote:
Why are some wazuans so naive???So u guys think that the owners of ICC has interests of victims at heart?U need to think again.This a game of interests and victims and their justice are just collateral damage in greater scheme


ICC would have appeared fair to all if it included all aspects of PEV around the country such as this here in Kibera/huruma slums. Watch how a guy gets his hand cut off from the wrist

At minute 4.50, he says it happened in Huruma slums in jan 20th, 2008.

http://www.youtube.com/w...edded&v=6_fpLfzunXw



I didn't watch the video, lest it trigger bad memories which I don't want to deal with right now.

But I agree 100% with what you say: three men are being made to pay for the sins of a multitude. The police who killed hundreds in the Nyanza, Rift Valley and Western provinces got away scot free.

The young men in mashinani who marked out their neighbours' houses and burnt them while killing and raping their owners are walking as free men today.

I remember Boniface Mwangi documented the slum PEV very well. These guys got away just like that.

The middle class who gleefully spread hatred on the internet and via SMS are today shouting loudest about the ICC from the comfort of their living rooms.

We spurned a number of golden chances to establish a special tribunal locally. This, in my view, would have helped start the justice process immediately and put us on the road to resolving our differences. It would have been an opportunity to carefully unravel the PEV networks from the masterminds down to the ordinary folk.

It would also have forced a political solution to supplement the justice process.

Rwanda, Sierra Leone and Liberia have gone through that process and are now rebuilding themselves.

We didn't do that and now, six years later, are still struggling with the fallout from that madness. Negative ethnicity is at an all-time high and our moral standards have gone down the drain.

nope this has not happened! general butt naked is still a pastor, General Johnson is in the army and a person who sponsored Tayor is President!! Anyway each country has its own way of moving forward.
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MKWASI
#14 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 2:56:11 PM
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Here is an article by William Eye, Beth Goldberg



The Rome Statute, drafted during a 5-week conference in Rome, established the International Criminal Court. Adopted in July of 1998, the treaty entered into legal force in April of 2012 when the minimum requirement of 60 signatories was fulfilled (Rome Statute, Article 126. Though the United States initially supported the Rome Conference, and led the lobby for the court’s creation, they–in addition to Iraq, Israel, Libya, China, Yemen, and Qatar–eventually voted in opposition to the adoption of the statute. In 2000, before the ICC came into force, the Clinton Administration symbolically signed the Rome Statute, but announced that it had no intention of submitting legislation to the Senate for ratification.

In May 2002, one month after the ICC attained enough signatories to come into legal force, the Bush Administration infamously “unsigned” the Rome Statute. President Bush made this move, entirely unprecedented in international law, directly after launching the Afghanistan invasion by submitting a note to then-UN Secretary General Kofi Annan. In the following months, the Bush Administration took great care to undermine the efforts of the Court, threatening in July 2002 to use its Security Council veto to block the renewal of UN peacekeeping mandates in order to leverage exemption from ICC jurisdiction. (As one of five permanent members of the Security Council, the United States possesses veto power over any potential Security Council resolution.)

The next indefensible act of American impunity before the court came one month later in August 2002, when the American Service-Members’ Protection Act (ASPA) was introduced by Republican Senator Jesse Helms and approved by George W. Bush. The law, nicknamed the “Hague Invasion Act,” authorizes the President to use “all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any US or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court. It further prohibits federal, state, and local agencies from assisting the Court in any way, including the extradition of any citizen or non-citizen from the States and the providing of relevant intelligence regarding ICC cases.

In December 2005, the US took additional measures to exempt itself from the jurisdiction of the Court in approving the Nethercutt Amendment to the Foreign Appropriations Bill. Employing a coercive “stick” or disincentive strategy, the amendment cut economic aid to any ICC state parties who refused to sign a bilateral agreement with the US, exempting US nationals from ICC jurisdiction. Considering that the Court has no jurisdiction over those states that have not ratified the Statute, the Nethercutt Amendment represented a legal redundancy, and further demonstrated the Bush administration’s desire to override and undercut the international system.


digitek1
#15 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 3:12:14 PM
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ecstacy
#16 Posted : Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:41:39 PM
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Let's take stock.

After weeks on end of the Deputy President's trial, all save for the victim are burukenge witnesses!!

To imagine the ICC Court confirmed the charges against the Deputy President with such hearsay is worrying. It almost speaks to the intention, the desired, the planned end game..
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