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shollei on accusations pertaining to construction industry
limanika
#11 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 6:21:26 PM
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You will recall the spat sometime back between the Public Works PS and CJ, over some ''shoddy'' work done at Milimani court building. Though I believe the CJ approached the issue in a pedestrian way, I have always thought that this is where the CJ parted ways with Public Works.
That said, I cannot trust any word coming out of either JSC or CRJ so much to the point of basing my arguments on what either has said. There is possibility CRJ engaged a mere lecturer at JKUAT and now trying to cover up in public. On what basis do you engage a private arm of a public institution and claim there was therefore no need for competitive bidding? Why did she not engage UNES? Who has discretion on these matters? We must demand a higher degree of accountability from our public servants.
tassia
#12 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 7:04:48 PM
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Just read the whole reply from Shollei and I am a bit confused....JSC may also not be clean
a4architect.com
#13 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 7:10:16 PM
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@tassia.true. Either shollei is grossly incompetent as to not read kenyan laws or she was breaking these laws knowingly with evil intentions.

@limanika, very well put. By Judiciary avoiding Public works which is free then hiring JKUCAT at kes 82m, this shows lack of respect for kenyan laws and tax payer money.

We can look at it this way..if public works thinks Judiciary is incompetent, can they also seek alternative judicial remedy from mungiki or other quasi judicial mechanisms? Judiciary should either lobby for laws that enable public works to work effectively or just hire consultants licenced by law to offer these services.

I fault shollei for not leading other kenyans into how to follow laws. If all kenyans decided to do as they please,we will slide to anarchy.

Kenya is a capitalist nation. Govt should provide enabling environments to the private sector so as to create jobs but not compete with private sector .
Its either judiciary seeks free services from public works or hires consultants from the private sector, thus enabling govt to relate with its tax payer citizens.
Judiciary paying 82m to another govt body, denying citizens to make an honest livelihood, doesnt make economic sense.
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Mr. Sulu
#14 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 7:42:54 PM
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@ Siringi, just come out of the closet and state categorically that you will defend Shollei no matter what. Stop flip flopping and twisting the PPOA to suit your masters. You are just embarrassing yourselves now.
Siringi
#15 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:01:41 PM
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tassia wrote:
Just read the whole reply from Shollei and I am a bit confused....JSC may also not be clean


@tassia @mr Sulu and @4arch.
For the umpteenth time Let me declare that am all for transparency and accountability. Am not defending GBS as a person but the office of CRJ. We need to defend institutions and kemea mob justice

If indeed GBS has broken any laws let he be tried fairly and if found guilty enjoy the services of Nairobi West Women's prison just like Nabutola and Ong'ong'a

I pause and ask Did people read the 87 +- charges that GBS was accused of and her reponse before rushing to the JSC findings.? Can JSC post the charges also on the same we chambua them one by one and see what we are dealing with here.?

If and when you read the charges talk to any GoK CEO you know and report on what they think of the charges

someone said here GBS is being framed, I am inclined to share the same sentiments given my knowledge of how GoK works.
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limanika
#16 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:54:06 PM
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Anything can be justified, even ignorance.. I take GBS arguments with a pinch of salt..on high handednessโ€ฆthe demeanour during those press conferences tells all
mkeiyd
#17 Posted : Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:33:35 AM
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This @Siringi guy,what you are doing is tantamount to what stray dogs do.
A stray dog hides its eyes behind grass and so long as it can't see you,it assumes you can't see it.

Kausha
#18 Posted : Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:02:02 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
Sholleis liking for using govt institutions in procurement does not sit well in a capitalistic environment. Judiciary, as one of the 3 arms of government, needs to support private sector to create employment, reduce crime etc. This can be done through procuring form the public as opposed to inter govt deals.
In the above scenario, JKUCAT are now directly competing with private sector consultants which is wrong. Govt should support private sector, not compete with it.

If she used ministry of public works instead of jkucat, she could have saved kes 82m.

If she used private sector architects, she could have saved even more since she could have been advised that EHG prefabs are costly and offer less quality compared to other options.

Now kenyan taxpayers are kes 82m poorer plus hundreds of millions loss in purchase of expensive, less quality court rooms.


Don't quite agree with you, that it's the government's role to support private sector - your comment reminds me of the favorite phrase by hawkers " Daddi / mami si uni promote leo " that really irks me. We need to begin teaching finance/ business education at an early age in primary school to equip the population in business so that we can begin to have business people focussing value rather than this deplorable state of expecting someone to promote you or government to support private sector. it's very simple we pay government taxes to provide value to the population and not promote or support youth or private sector. The moment they start doing this then we are better off using our taxes to support our youth privately and capitalizing our businesses.

Having said that the discourse we ought to engage in is was Shollei within core procurement rules or on a matter of substance over form did she obtain value for money by going to JKUCAT. let's be sincere I read some commissioners in JSC having earned 18.7m between 2011 Jan to June 2013 for sitting allowances and this commissioner for sure during those publicly televised sessions of JSC is very quiet. Kwani how expensive are her bums?
Siringi
#19 Posted : Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:36:53 AM
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My question to @A4archect

supposing the contract was awarded to National Youth Service , or the Army, what beef could we be discussing. because in my opinion constructing prefabs can be done by even village polytechnics at the county level - no rocket science here ama

NYS and army have done jobs which private sector people could have done why dint you guys complain?
tuendeleze mjadala ...

we have experts in these instutitions (NYS Army) spending our taxes...
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nakujua
#20 Posted : Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:21:42 AM
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mkeiyd wrote:
This @Siringi guy,what you are doing is tantamount to what stray dogs do.
A stray dog hides its eyes behind grass and so long as it can't see you,it assumes you can't see it.


matusi
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