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GoK hiring and firing of CEOs eg NSSF, NHIF and JSC vs GBS
maka
#11 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:22:34 PM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
Rankaz13 wrote:
This takes me some ten years back when, as a young college graduate, I was entrusted with being in charge of a humble gov't dep't in a far flung county. I set about doing my job as spelt out in law and began by setting up the systems.

Little did I know that, by doing my job, I was inadvertently upsetting the apple cart and stepping on some rather huge toes, many toes by the way.

Boss, ile kivumbi nilionyeshwa, is a story for another day. I came face-to-face with corruption proper and all sorts of obstacles, snares, etc were hurled my way, including a good amount of character assassination that bordered on defamation.

Eventually, I had a long, difficult meeting with myself and I took the difficult decision to take a walk. It was the only way I was going to have peace of mind. My colleague, in another county (province at the time), same department who had tried to resist the cartels ultimately met his death in as yet unclear circumstances. The only things stolen from him were the documents which he was handling at the time.


Rightly put trying to fight the system will definetly make you meet extreme resistance you will live in frustration each and every working day,your life will be a mess this thing is bigger than all of us...how many would be able to stand against the Biwotts,Kulei,s,Moi,s etc most of us cant,this are the same people who pull the strings almost everywhere you turn...We have put on paper proper,well functioning systems that if followed to the letter would rarely bring descrepancies and issues but how many times are they followed to the letter?corners are usually cut everyday and this hurts the country...
possunt quia posse videntur
Jaina
#12 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:47:51 PM
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Joined: 5/13/2008
Posts: 558
In Govt, You cannot change the system, the system changes you.

This Shollei Lady thought the "truth shall set her free". It wont. She should just shut up and disapper like many more before her.

For you to bring in meaningful and longterm reforms in Govt, you've got to be a "Michuki". He/she who fears nobody, not intrested in nonsense and has a will of steel.

Not many can match up
Siringi
#13 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 3:02:32 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/8/2013
Posts: 2,517
Mukiri wrote:
The Clown wrote:
It's the attitude that people come into GoK with that is to blame. Over time, there has been established a culture of nonperformance and lax standards within the public service.

Any new employee (including CEOs) comes in and sees this culture and asks himself/herself: how can I best eat in my short time here. How many relatives can I employ?

As long as we have this mentality around GoK jobs, this problem will not go away.

Ditto.

Hire and fire, for incompetence, corruption etc. A Kenyan will think twice about applying for post if his intentions are not right, will think twice about sleeping on the job. In any case there is legal re-dress for wrongful terminations. Nobody should be indispensable and untouchable in new Kenya.


Pastor hapo i beg to differ,

We cannot go hiring and firing people..., we have to seek the root cause and seal the loop holes. We also need to have tougher consequences.

we need to soul search and ask ourselves what is wrong with our people? do we lack a work ethic? Elsewhere public servants are honest people delivering services in a professional manner without resorting to scandals and thieving schemes. Indeed there are examples of public corporations and departments within the civil service where you go and get services professionally without any hassles. yet there are places that are rotten we need to separate the chaff from the grains.

As aggrieved Kenyans, Why are we not making use of the Ombudsman to shame these nonperforming public servants. We now have Social media, twitter blogs, facebook etc

I refuse to accept that we cant change our public serviceShame on you Shame on you Shame on you

? How do we correct the current culture? not by firing the heads in the manner that Kazungu kambis and JSC are doing it? Professional will steer clear of the civil service and we shall be left with mediocrity

Even in cases where the public sector has gone to seek talent from private sector, under the pretext that the private sector has 'better' managers most of them have not performed any better indeed some of the grandest schemes of thievery were hatched by some of these fellas and i can mention a few names...
On the flipside there are scandals in the private sector only that they are not highlighted eg at Safaricom, BAT., EABL etc '

CORRECTIVE ACTION:


like in Shollei's example if indeed some of those cases being mentioned happened, we need to fire everybody who appended their signature and made recommendations na iwe funzo kwa other civil servants / public officers


their names need to be publicly shamed and circulated widely so that they are blacklisted from any employment elsewhere

freeze their accounts and cease assets

Checks and balances need to be put in place to ensure professionals do their work without fear of external intimidation. yet we also need to put the fear of God into them.

I hope Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto are listening.
"😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
maka
#14 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 3:09:18 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
Siringi wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
The Clown wrote:
It's the attitude that people come into GoK with that is to blame. Over time, there has been established a culture of nonperformance and lax standards within the public service.

Any new employee (including CEOs) comes in and sees this culture and asks himself/herself: how can I best eat in my short time here. How many relatives can I employ?

As long as we have this mentality around GoK jobs, this problem will not go away.

Ditto.

Hire and fire, for incompetence, corruption etc. A Kenyan will think twice about applying for post if his intentions are not right, will think twice about sleeping on the job. In any case there is legal re-dress for wrongful terminations. Nobody should be indispensable and untouchable in new Kenya.


Pastor hapo i beg to differ,

We cannot go hiring and firing people..., we have to seek the root cause and seal the loop holes. We also need to have tougher consequences.

we need to soul search and ask ourselves what is wrong with our people? do we lack a work ethic? Elsewhere public servants are honest people delivering services in a professional manner without resorting to scandals and thieving schemes. Indeed there are examples of public corporations and departments within the civil service where you go and get services professionally without any hassles. yet there are places that are rotten we need to separate the chaff from the grains.

As aggrieved Kenyans, Why are we not making use of the Ombudsman to shame these nonperforming public servants. We now have Social media, twitter blogs, facebook etc

I refuse to accept that we cant change our public serviceShame on you Shame on you Shame on you

? How do we correct the current culture? not by firing the heads in the manner that Kazungu kambis and JSC are doing it? Professional will steer clear of the civil service and we shall be left with mediocrity

Even in cases where the public sector has gone to seek talent from private sector, under the pretext that the private sector has 'better' managers most of them have not performed any better indeed some of the grandest schemes of thievery were hatched by some of these fellas and i can mention a few names...
On the flipside there are scandals in the private sector only that they are not highlighted eg at Safaricom, BAT., EABL etc '

CORRECTIVE ACTION:


like in Shollei's example if indeed some of those cases being mentioned happened, we need to fire everybody who appended their signature and made recommendations na iwe funzo kwa other civil servants / public officers


their names need to be publicly shamed and circulated widely so that they are blacklisted from any employment elsewhere

freeze their accounts and cease assets

Checks and balances need to be put in place to ensure professionals do their work without fear of external intimidation. yet we also need to put the fear of God into them.

I hope Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto are listening.


Ummmh you honestly think no.1 and no.2 dont know whats happening?esp no.2 very crafty fellow...
possunt quia posse videntur
Siringi
#15 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 3:24:09 PM
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Joined: 6/8/2013
Posts: 2,517
maka wrote:
Siringi wrote:
[quote=MukiriChecks and balances need to be put in place to ensure professionals do their work without fear of external intimidation. yet we also need to put the fear of God into them.

I hope Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto are listening.


Ummmh you honestly think no.1 and no.2 dont know whats happening?esp no.2 very crafty fellow...


The for gawds sakes we show them the middle finger either now or 2017 miye nimechoka.

We need some action

Goggles back on: When I look at the ODM characters and their performance during the collision coalitionShame on you Shame on youShame on you ... nasema afadhali dynamic duosmile smile smile

With respect i love my president and his deputy but let them show me some action
"😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
nakujua
#16 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 3:24:30 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/17/2009
Posts: 3,583
Location: Kenya
Jaina wrote:
In Govt, You cannot change the system, the system changes you.

This Shollei Lady thought the "truth shall set her free". It wont. She should just shut up and disapper like many more before her.

For you to bring in meaningful and longterm reforms in Govt, you've got to be a "Michuki". He/she who fears nobody, not intrested in nonsense and has a will of steel.

Not many can match up

kenya needs a dictator like kagame, anyoroshe watu proper - michuki was the perfect example of leaderhip needed in kenya especially during his stint at the transport docket.
maka
#17 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 3:41:57 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
Siringi wrote:
maka wrote:
Siringi wrote:
[quote=MukiriChecks and balances need to be put in place to ensure professionals do their work without fear of external intimidation. yet we also need to put the fear of God into them.

I hope Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto are listening.


Ummmh you honestly think no.1 and no.2 dont know whats happening?esp no.2 very crafty fellow...


The for gawds sakes we show them the middle finger either now or 2017 miye nimechoka.

We need some action

Goggles back on: When I look at the ODM characters and their performance during the collision coalitionShame on you Shame on youShame on you ... nasema afadhali dynamic duosmile smile smile

With respect i love my president and his deputy but let them show me some action


Perfect example look at Ngilu after the water scandals she engaged in,still got a cabinet post angalia sarakasi anafanya huko lands sasa...corruption and this under dealings can only be eradicted if there is will power from the top thats the only way...
possunt quia posse videntur
Mukiri
#18 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 6:06:04 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/11/2012
Posts: 5,222
maka wrote:
Rankaz13 wrote:
This takes me some ten years back when, as a young college graduate, I was entrusted with being in charge of a humble gov't dep't in a far flung county. I set about doing my job as spelt out in law and began by setting up the systems.

Little did I know that, by doing my job, I was inadvertently upsetting the apple cart and stepping on some rather huge toes, many toes by the way.

Boss, ile kivumbi nilionyeshwa, is a story for another day. I came face-to-face with corruption proper and all sorts of obstacles, snares, etc were hurled my way, including a good amount of character assassination that bordered on defamation.

Eventually, I had a long, difficult meeting with myself and I took the difficult decision to take a walk. It was the only way I was going to have peace of mind. My colleague, in another county (province at the time), same department who had tried to resist the cartels ultimately met his death in as yet unclear circumstances. The only things stolen from him were the documents which he was handling at the time.


Rightly put trying to fight the system will definetly make you meet extreme resistance you will live in frustration each and every working day,your life will be a mess this thing is bigger than all of us...how many would be able to stand against the Biwotts,Kulei,s,Moi,s etc most of us cant,this are the same people who pull the strings almost everywhere you turn...We have put on paper proper,well functioning systems that if followed to the letter would rarely bring descrepancies and issues but how many times are they followed to the letter?corners are usually cut everyday and this hurts the country...

The Lord has not given me a spirit of fear!!!! Evil should not prevail over good, if it means loosing your life for it, so be it!

But like all things, there is need for wisdom. Jesus didn't just change things radically, it was gradual. As a child he had knowledge and wisdom, he engaged learned follows in discussions for which they were astounded.

But he waited to grow up, was gradual, led by example. I'll give you an example... what happens to new Wazuans? They are 'welcomed' by @Mahegoat. Any change they try to effect is met with serious resistance. But like with all things in life, resilience, persistence, determination. Change is inevitable... Will you be the change?

When I joined Wazua, I can't remember a thread on scripture. Now we even share hymnssmile Has there been resistance? Oh yes! Character assassinations? That one I know first hand

Proverbs 19:21
Mukiri
#19 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 6:09:00 PM
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Joined: 7/11/2012
Posts: 5,222
Siringi wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
The Clown wrote:
It's the attitude that people come into GoK with that is to blame. Over time, there has been established a culture of nonperformance and lax standards within the public service.

Any new employee (including CEOs) comes in and sees this culture and asks himself/herself: how can I best eat in my short time here. How many relatives can I employ?

As long as we have this mentality around GoK jobs, this problem will not go away.

Ditto.

Hire and fire, for incompetence, corruption etc. A Kenyan will think twice about applying for post if his intentions are not right, will think twice about sleeping on the job. In any case there is legal re-dress for wrongful terminations. Nobody should be indispensable and untouchable in new Kenya.


Pastor hapo i beg to differ,

We cannot go hiring and firing people..., we have to seek the root cause and seal the loop holes. We also need to have tougher consequences.

we need to soul search and ask ourselves what is wrong with our people? do we lack a work ethic? Elsewhere public servants are honest people delivering services in a professional manner without resorting to scandals and thieving schemes. Indeed there are examples of public corporations and departments within the civil service where you go and get services professionally without any hassles. yet there are places that are rotten we need to separate the chaff from the grains.

As aggrieved Kenyans, Why are we not making use of the Ombudsman to shame these nonperforming public servants. We now have Social media, twitter blogs, facebook etc

I refuse to accept that we cant change our public serviceShame on you Shame on you Shame on you

? How do we correct the current culture? not by firing the heads in the manner that Kazungu kambis and JSC are doing it? Professional will steer clear of the civil service and we shall be left with mediocrity

Even in cases where the public sector has gone to seek talent from private sector, under the pretext that the private sector has 'better' managers most of them have not performed any better indeed some of the grandest schemes of thievery were hatched by some of these fellas and i can mention a few names...
On the flipside there are scandals in the private sector only that they are not highlighted eg at Safaricom, BAT., EABL etc '

CORRECTIVE ACTION:


like in Shollei's example if indeed some of those cases being mentioned happened, we need to fire everybody who appended their signature and made recommendations na iwe funzo kwa other civil servants / public officers


their names need to be publicly shamed and circulated widely so that they are blacklisted from any employment elsewhere

freeze their accounts and cease assets

Checks and balances need to be put in place to ensure professionals do their work without fear of external intimidation. yet we also need to put the fear of God into them.

I hope Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto are listening.

Boss, perfect points you raise. But in this day and age 'Soul searching and finding out where the problem is=Procrastination'!

Proverbs 19:21
Siringi
#20 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:09:54 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/8/2013
Posts: 2,517
Jaina wrote:
In Govt, You cannot change the system, the system changes you.

This Shollei Lady thought the "truth shall set her free". It wont. She should just shut up and disapper like many more before her.

For you to bring in meaningful and longterm reforms in Govt, you've got to be a "Michuki". He/she who fears nobody, not intrested in nonsense and has a will of steel.

Not many can match up


So do we clone Michukismile smile smile pun intended

we have several examples of people who have brought meaningful chanes in gava you only need to look around

The NGO types have not cut it. There is impunity in public service

look at what all the so called reformers did in gava since 2003Sad Sad Sad
people became overnight multi millionaires and some billionaires.

Anybody remembers the Leakey Otieno Oduor Dream team?

This is the culture we need to strategize and fight tge eating culture but while at it let us do it properly
"😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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