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CLK
#21 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 6:10:59 AM
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harrydre wrote:
@Rahatupu, i tend to somewhat agree with you. The guy was all full throttle to attack KDF rather than the terrorists. As I said earlier, i expected more on the terror itself, how the guys came in, where they stayed, the planning, execution etc etc..not some KDF bashing. He obviously didn't want to expose their ways or rather didn't bother to investigate. There is nothing he had in jicho pevu that we didn't know.

This report even made more sense to read

Very sad that in the 1hr clip all that Kenyans are seeing is Moha attacking KDF for looting.

I saw a stupid competition among the different arms of security that led to unwarranted deaths.

I saw a government that is keen on PR and not on facts and security of its people, the Simiyu guy said clearly what ought to have happened that did not.

I really pitied the PORK, being lied to left right center and ending up looking like a fool, no wonder he decided to only comment once everything was over.

I saw a toothless Cabinet secretary for defence, just talking for the sake of talking.

The PORK needs to move from appointing people he can trust to people who can get the job done, however this whole sham business reflects on who we are as a country.
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alma
#22 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 7:30:42 AM
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murchr wrote:
alma wrote:
murchr wrote:
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So its Moha's fault that KDF looted?

By the way murchr with all your wisdom, you have still not informed us about the "unpatriotism" of your k twedy fo

You do remember you were jumping up and down telling us how they have out smarted Moha with their breaking news.

In case you forgot http://youtu.be/DdirFn7rTgY

K twedy fo said looting. Nation said looting. The star said looting first. They all said it before Moha said it. Even Namu said it.

Don't forget, the police leaked the video. What unpatriotic, al-shabab loving police we have.

The only people who have not said it are murchr, jaggernaut, siringi, you know, the usual suspects of 2pm.

But to you, Moha is the devil. Why do you think this is the case murchr?


You actually showed up Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Ok, I brought up the Key twedy four issue then because you were allover wazua telling us how Moha will show us exclusive cctv findeos only for the key twendy fo you had earlier tharaud to beat them at it. Applause Applause That made my Friday why lie.

I have no issue with Kenyans questioning the supposed "looting" by the KDF, i have an issue however with how our media and went ahead to sensationalize the whole episode, i have an issue especially with Moha's reporting because he poses his assumptions like as if they are facts of-course betraying his ineptitude in journalism, the dude told Kenyans on National TV that the imbeciles walked out on the first day and all that show by KDF was fruitless, He speculated that someone is lying to the President bla bla (not unless he knows something that we dont). Then that night KTN airs on news that a body of one of the terrorist has been found...so who's fooling who?

Advise him that he needs to speak to Gov Mutua, machahood will be good for him. Don't you think if he highlighted the whole issues that went wrong starting with the immigration, to Kenians who would have lived with this fellas then that would be of more importance to us all? Why did he bring up that guy who was earlier suspected? Wasn't it the duty of the cops to make sure that he is not among the attackers ata kama ni muislamu? Who cant see that he was trying to bring a religious angle to all this?


Every time that you are asked straight questions you tend to spin.

I asked you very simply.

Didn't k twedy fo say that kdf looted?
Didn't nation say so?
Didn't Standard say so?
Didn't the star say so?
Didn't the owners of the westgate borotis say so?

Didn't all these al-shabab loving media harlots who've been paid to finish Kenya and love muslims say it before Moha did?

So why target moha?

Are you trying again to do another SK Macharia job now on Moha?

You do remember that one don't you. I told you to tell your people that it would fail. You never listened. Macharia is stronger and k twedy fo is now an al-shabab loving outfit that can only create fake interviews with sonko.

Every time you post you make me understand why this gov't looks so confused.

If they are taking any advice from you, they would be confused.

Mara SK macharia is the enemy. Mara Moha. Mara imperialists, mara white people. You never ever see a problem in yourself. Your playing the quintessential pan-African narcissist.

Your posts and arguments always supported by the 2pm gang are always a toxic mix of victim playing, buck passing, learned helplessness, Münchausen syndrome and are now bordering on contributory negligence.

Peace and lets avoid each other's post shall we. I don't need to be in your hate booklet.

Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rahatupu
#23 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 7:46:03 AM
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accelriskconsult wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:


If you thought what this guy is doing is out of pride and ignorance of security factors think again. I have said it and I continue, this fellow is a sympathiser and should be treated as such.

His analysis of the attack on Westgate and his especially highlighting the military and police weaknesses for all and sundry is targeted for AS consumption and use. The future looks bleak with our media being so irresponsible.

Video exploited by Shabaab



As Macharia Gaitho says in todays copy of the Nation, 'the last refuge for a scoundrel is patriotism'

There is nothing unpatriotic about Jicho Pevu's criticism of the security operation by KDF. If KDF is weak the weakness must be pointed out.

It is not Moha's job to strengthen KDF. He is a journalist and he is paid to do exactly what he does.

The real enemies of Kenya are the people trying to cover up the truth in the shame of national security.



I don't deny there were serious lapses that should never have happened or that there are indeed weaknesses. What I am saying is that we expose ourselves more to the Shabaab by giving them fodder to attack some other time. We are granting them sympathies and by extension recruits. This will haunt me and you and you will still be wondering where they hit us from.

Propaganda is part of any war and we should not play into the hand of the enemy by appearing to cheer them.
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Pedes
#24 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 9:45:15 AM
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Rahatupu wrote:
accelriskconsult wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:


If you thought what this guy is doing is out of pride and ignorance of security factors think again. I have said it and I continue, this fellow is a sympathiser and should be treated as such.

His analysis of the attack on Westgate and his especially highlighting the military and police weaknesses for all and sundry is targeted for AS consumption and use. The future looks bleak with our media being so irresponsible.

Video exploited by Shabaab



As Macharia Gaitho says in todays copy of the Nation, 'the last refuge for a scoundrel is patriotism'

There is nothing unpatriotic about Jicho Pevu's criticism of the security operation by KDF. If KDF is weak the weakness must be pointed out.

It is not Moha's job to strengthen KDF. He is a journalist and he is paid to do exactly what he does.

The real enemies of Kenya are the people trying to cover up the truth in the shame of national security.



I don't deny there were serious lapses that should never have happened or that there are indeed weaknesses. What I am saying is that we expose ourselves more to the Shabaab by giving them fodder to attack some other time. We are granting them sympathies and by extension recruits. This will haunt me and you and you will still be wondering where they hit us from.

Propaganda is part of any war and we should not play into the hand of the enemy by appearing to cheer them.


The Government should look into dealing with those serious lapses. Westgate was attacked and now KDF is the story.
Is it so hard for someone in authority to say that they did the best they could but it wasn't good enough, they are looking into how to ensure this never occurs again.
If you stay ready, no need to get ready.
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maka
#25 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 9:49:19 AM
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Pedes wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
accelriskconsult wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:


If you thought what this guy is doing is out of pride and ignorance of security factors think again. I have said it and I continue, this fellow is a sympathiser and should be treated as such.

His analysis of the attack on Westgate and his especially highlighting the military and police weaknesses for all and sundry is targeted for AS consumption and use. The future looks bleak with our media being so irresponsible.

Video exploited by Shabaab



As Macharia Gaitho says in todays copy of the Nation, 'the last refuge for a scoundrel is patriotism'

There is nothing unpatriotic about Jicho Pevu's criticism of the security operation by KDF. If KDF is weak the weakness must be pointed out.

It is not Moha's job to strengthen KDF. He is a journalist and he is paid to do exactly what he does.

The real enemies of Kenya are the people trying to cover up the truth in the shame of national security.



I don't deny there were serious lapses that should never have happened or that there are indeed weaknesses. What I am saying is that we expose ourselves more to the Shabaab by giving them fodder to attack some other time. We are granting them sympathies and by extension recruits. This will haunt me and you and you will still be wondering where they hit us from.

Propaganda is part of any war and we should not play into the hand of the enemy by appearing to cheer them.


The Government should look into dealing with those serious lapses. Westgate was attacked and now KDF is the story.
Is it so hard for someone in authority to say that they did the best they could but it wasn't good enough, they are looking into how to ensure this never occurs again.


Its a Kenyan thing never admit you were a bit slack...ohh and never resign....just lie and twist stuff hadi the end.
possunt quia posse videntur
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2012
#26 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:03:23 AM
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Rahatupu wrote:


If you thought what this guy is doing is out of pride and ignorance of security factors think again. I have said it and I continue, this fellow is a sympathiser and should be treated as such.

His analysis of the attack on Westgate and his especially highlighting the military and police weaknesses for all and sundry is targeted for AS consumption and use. The future looks bleak with our media being so irresponsible.

Video exploited by Shabaab


Forgive my French but I think that's crap.
What Moha and Jicho Pevu highlighted is out in the public and would not take you extreme effort to get these footages. I think the terrorists have their own intelligence and don't forget that they have an upper hand since they are the initiators. It's normally the threatened country that plays catch-up. The main reason why the US eliminates terrorists before they attack is because they cannot allow them to attack first. That's what we ought to do as well in my opinion.

BBI will solve it :)
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poundfoolish
#27 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:23:33 AM
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We very much supported KDF when they rolled into Somalia and took Kismayoo..

Our Media even hid some of the atrocities that were done there.. and is currently not talking about the lucrative charcoal business..

But when nonesense happens at home.. we need not cover our eyes and sing Kumbaya...

what the Hell!!!!
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nakujua
#28 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:34:48 AM
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unpatriotic
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accelriskconsult
#29 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:37:17 AM
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harrydre wrote:
@Rahatupu, i tend to somewhat agree with you. The guy was all full throttle to attack KDF rather than the terrorists. As I said earlier, i expected more on the terror itself, how the guys came in, where they stayed, the planning, execution etc etc..not some KDF bashing. He obviously didn't want to expose their ways or rather didn't bother to investigate. There is nothing he had in jicho pevu that we didn't know.

This report even made more sense to read



And you did not bother to think!

The bigger story coming out of Westgate is that the army wants to convince us that 4 terrorists kept more than 30 soldiers occupied for more that 72 hours.

Moha is doing what all of us have been trying to do and that is to find out the truth.
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alma
#30 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:48:00 AM
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accelriskconsult wrote:
harrydre wrote:
@Rahatupu, i tend to somewhat agree with you. The guy was all full throttle to attack KDF rather than the terrorists. As I said earlier, i expected more on the terror itself, how the guys came in, where they stayed, the planning, execution etc etc..not some KDF bashing. He obviously didn't want to expose their ways or rather didn't bother to investigate. There is nothing he had in jicho pevu that we didn't know.

This report even made more sense to read



And you did not bother to think!

The bigger story coming out of Westgate is that the army wants to convince us that 4 terrorists kept more than 30 soldiers occupied for more that 72 hours.

Moha is doing what all of us have been trying to do and that is to find out the truth.


200 soldiers
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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