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Rank: Member Joined: 5/30/2008 Posts: 8
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hmmm---> this ruling is not sustainable.....deal with it. It is more of a timing difference. In the meantime, i hope the staff use the paid leave and final dues to plan their future because the employees will never see the inside of the plane as staff ever! mark my words.
Nothin personal...i just hate populists who continue to lie to innocent kenyans....
If we can all be abit smarter than believing in the simple stuff.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/8/2007 Posts: 808
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I will stick my neck here and question the business competence of the judge. If he spent time understanding how the government's ownership in companies works, he would know the government is ably represented by the Ps Finance and Ps transport. It has also been a strong party to recruitment of other board members starting with the chairman. The prime minister can never come into the equation. If the judge looked at the financials which I doubt he did, he would realize KQ is in serious financial problems if you look at the cash flow being generated and the debt in the balance sheet. The judge did not even bother to invite financial expertise to shed light on the cyclic losses caused by certain global factors but he goes ahead and pronounces himself on the same. I have said it in a different post, KQ in its current form will require a government bailout by 2016. It has to shed fat from all directions. And surely employment is a production factor in business and not social protection.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Kausha wrote:I will stick my neck here and question the business competence of the judge. @Kausha before you attack the judge? What is your competence in law? If you had any you would know that Kenyan law requires certain steps to be followed when retrenchment is needed.. The reason also has to be valid! How do you explain the short notices given to the employees & the 24% increase in TNs 2million salary?? Its an outrage! KQ took the law into their own hands and just kicked these guys onto the street... Titus should realize he made the ultimate blunder and take responsibility for his actions by resigning! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/12/2006 Posts: 1,554
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dunkang wrote:FKE moves to court to appeal the case, yet KQ is not interested in appeaking so far.
Quote from DN, read between the lines It is a case that has caught the attention of various players in the job market and it is likely to change labour relations. Kenya Airways on Friday said that it intends to appeal the ruling, with FKE and KEPSA saying that they would consider being enjoined in the appeal.Link
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/13/2011 Posts: 284 Location: Nairobi
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guru267 wrote:Kausha wrote:I will stick my neck here and question the business competence of the judge. @Kausha before you attack the judge? What is your competence in law? If you had any you would know that Kenyan law requires certain steps to be followed when retrenchment is needed.. The reason also has to be valid! How do you explain the short notices given to the employees & the 24% increase in TNs 2million salary?? Its an outrage! KQ took the law into their own hands and just kicked these guys onto the street... Titus should realize he made the ultimate blunder and take responsibility for his actions by resigning! @Guru, th issue @Kausha is raising is that th judge only considered th legality of th retrenchment exercise. Th judge had an obligation 2 go furthur n luk at th state of th airliner; this is th part that missed in his ruling hence an incomplete one.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Gadaffi wrote:guru267 wrote:Kausha wrote:I will stick my neck here and question the business competence of the judge. @Kausha before you attack the judge? What is your competence in law? If you had any you would know that Kenyan law requires certain steps to be followed when retrenchment is needed.. The reason also has to be valid! How do you explain the short notices given to the employees & the 24% increase in TNs 2million salary?? Its an outrage! KQ took the law into their own hands and just kicked these guys onto the street... Titus should realize he made the ultimate blunder and take responsibility for his actions by resigning! @Guru, th issue @Kausha is raising is that th judge only considered th legality of th retrenchment exercise. Th judge had an obligation 2 go furthur n luk at th state of th airliner; this is th part that missed in his ruling hence an incomplete one. Why should the judge care about KQs financial status if KQ cannot care about abiding by the law? Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/13/2011 Posts: 284 Location: Nairobi
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guru267 wrote:Gadaffi wrote:guru267 wrote:Kausha wrote:I will stick my neck here and question the business competence of the judge. @Kausha before you attack the judge? What is your competence in law? If you had any you would know that Kenyan law requires certain steps to be followed when retrenchment is needed.. The reason also has to be valid! How do you explain the short notices given to the employees & the 24% increase in TNs 2million salary?? Its an outrage! KQ took the law into their own hands and just kicked these guys onto the street... Titus should realize he made the ultimate blunder and take responsibility for his actions by resigning! @Guru, th issue @Kausha is raising is that th judge only considered th legality of th retrenchment exercise. Th judge had an obligation 2 go furthur n luk at th state of th airliner; this is th part that missed in his ruling hence an incomplete one. Why should the judge care about KQs financial status if KQ cannot care about abiding by the law? judges sld nt b thea 2 just punish those on th wrong bt luk at issues in wholesomely in 3D n nt in 1D. These rulings set precedence n tis has jus set a bad one since it is one sided
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/12/2006 Posts: 1,554
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Gadaffi wrote:guru267 wrote:Gadaffi wrote:guru267 wrote:Kausha wrote:I will stick my neck here and question the business competence of the judge. @Kausha before you attack the judge? What is your competence in law? If you had any you would know that Kenyan law requires certain steps to be followed when retrenchment is needed.. The reason also has to be valid! How do you explain the short notices given to the employees & the 24% increase in TNs 2million salary?? Its an outrage! KQ took the law into their own hands and just kicked these guys onto the street... Titus should realize he made the ultimate blunder and take responsibility for his actions by resigning! @Guru, th issue @Kausha is raising is that th judge only considered th legality of th retrenchment exercise. Th judge had an obligation 2 go furthur n luk at th state of th airliner; this is th part that missed in his ruling hence an incomplete one. Why should the judge care about KQs financial status if KQ cannot care about abiding by the law? judges sld nt b thea 2 just punish those on th wrong bt luk at issues in wholesomely in 3D n nt in 1D. These rulings set precedence n tis has jus set a bad one since it is one sided My thinking the judge looked at the matter in 3D, employees and how the retrenchment was done, the economy and impact to shareholders and the law as has to be applied then he took decision. 3D doesnt necessary mean that he should have ruled in favour of KQ, I also believe the precedence is a good one, before retrenching one has to go through the process in a way accepted by the law.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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The pandora's box is hurling curveballs... http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/hmquypz/-/index.html Parliament report backing up the court ruling. KQ investors will curse for a while as the issue pans out into nasty politics... $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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NAIKUNI MUST GO! Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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NAIKUNI MUST GO! He has failed all the stakeholders: The employees, by failing to provide leadership and motivation. The shareholders, by destroying the share value, arranging for a dubious rights issue. The Government and regulatory bodies, by failing to consult and win goodwill for KQ strategies as the chief PR man of the airline. The customers, for crappy customer service, constant delays and why in the name of god do you serve us nuts on all flights? we are not squirrels. NAIKUNI MUST GO. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/12/2006 Posts: 1,554
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sparkly wrote:NAIKUNI MUST GO! He has failed all the stakeholders: The employees, by failing to provide leadership and motivation. The shareholders, by destroying the share value, arranging for a dubious rights issue. The Government and regulatory bodies, by failing to consult and win goodwill for KQ strategies as the chief PR man of the airline. The customers, for crappy customer service, constant delays and why in the name of god do you serve us nuts on all flights? we are not squirrels. NAIKUNI MUST GO. To protect your ears from rapturing due to cabin pressure.
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FOR THE IGNORANT WAZUANS WHO THINK KQ WAS JUSTIFIED TO BE AS CRUEL AS THEY DID, HERE IS A C/P FROM D/N Quote: Kenya Airways declared the employees redundant on the grounds that it was reducing an unsustainable wage bill.
But “the management was not candid”, the
committee says.
“It recruited for some of the positions the
retrenched workers had left and is still
creating new senior management positions
and recruiting to fill them,” says the
committee, and “also went ahead to increase the salaries of its top management by 24 percent”.
“The real challenges facing the airline include not just the wage bill but mainly downturn in passenger volumes…, an increasingly
competitive environment, very high direct
operating costs and other overheads which
have continued to rise disproportionately to
rise in revenues,” says the committee.
“It is worth noting that the airline under the same management has carried out several
retrenchment exercises in the past but still
finds itself in the sad state of affairs.”
The committee asks the Kenya Airways
management to “stop victimising staff on the basis of gender and health status.”
“It should stop victimising Kenya Aviation and Allied Workers Union officials.” Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/1/2010 Posts: 272 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:NAIKUNI MUST GO! He has failed all the stakeholders: The employees, by failing to provide leadership and motivation. The shareholders, by destroying the share value, arranging for a dubious rights issue. The Government and regulatory bodies, by failing to consult and win goodwill for KQ strategies as the chief PR man of the airline. The customers, for crappy customer service, constant delays and why in the name of god do you serve us nuts on all flights? we are not squirrels. NAIKUNI MUST GO.  The harder you work, the luckier you get
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/29/2006 Posts: 2,570
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Jamani wrote:sparkly wrote:NAIKUNI MUST GO! He has failed all the stakeholders: The employees, by failing to provide leadership and motivation. The shareholders, by destroying the share value, arranging for a dubious rights issue. The Government and regulatory bodies, by failing to consult and win goodwill for KQ strategies as the chief PR man of the airline. The customers, for crappy customer service, constant delays and why in the name of god do you serve us nuts on all flights? we are not squirrels. NAIKUNI MUST GO. To protect your ears from rapturing due to cabin pressure. I need a defination of the cabin to understand who is carried there! The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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kryptonite wrote:sparkly wrote:NAIKUNI MUST GO! He has failed all the stakeholders: The employees, by failing to provide leadership and motivation. The shareholders, by destroying the share value, arranging for a dubious rights issue. The Government and regulatory bodies, by failing to consult and win goodwill for KQ strategies as the chief PR man of the airline. The customers, for crappy customer service, constant delays and why in the name of god do you serve us nuts on all flights? we are not squirrels. NAIKUNI MUST GO. Njugu ni lazima otherwise your ears will burst. Kila ndege hupeana njugu. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/12/2006 Posts: 1,554
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jerry wrote:Jamani wrote:sparkly wrote:NAIKUNI MUST GO! He has failed all the stakeholders: The employees, by failing to provide leadership and motivation. The shareholders, by destroying the share value, arranging for a dubious rights issue. The Government and regulatory bodies, by failing to consult and win goodwill for KQ strategies as the chief PR man of the airline. The customers, for crappy customer service, constant delays and why in the name of god do you serve us nuts on all flights? we are not squirrels. NAIKUNI MUST GO. To protect your ears from rapturing due to cabin pressure. I need a defination of the cabin to understand who is carried there! You may google to understand... Link.... Would you also need the definition of cabin crew ? You've all heard Flight Attendants say, "The aircraft is pressurized for your comfort. In case of a rapid change in cabin pressure, ...etc.". Most of us don’t pay any attention anymore, we’re so “old hat” about flying. Aircrafts are pressurized to ensure that the occupants have a livable environment while the aircraft flies at altitudes up to 45,000 feet above sea level for the subsonic jets, up to 51,000 ft for the executive jets, and up to 60,000 feet in the case of Concorde. At those altitudes the human body would quickly die; thus, the aircraft's fuselage is pressurized to an altitude that people can live and, more importantly, work in without any impairment of their faculties. The ear is the organ that usually suffers the most due to changes in air pressure. When the pressure is reducing (i.e. cabin altitude is increasing during aircraft climb), the air can easily pass down into the nose/throat area to relieve the pressure changes. Air may also pass out of other body orifices, causing discomfort and/or embarrassment. When the aircraft is descending from cruise to the destination, the pressure in the cabin increases (i.e. cabin altitude is decreasing). Increases in pressure can cause the eustachian tube to collapse, thus not allowing equalization of pressure in the ear. This collapse, and inability to equalize pressure, is the major cause of ear discomfort and/or pain. Thats one of the reasons KQ gives nuts to assist balance the pressure in your ears as you chew..... I hope this explains it.....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Jamani wrote:jerry wrote:Jamani wrote:sparkly wrote:NAIKUNI MUST GO! He has failed all the stakeholders: The employees, by failing to provide leadership and motivation. The shareholders, by destroying the share value, arranging for a dubious rights issue. The Government and regulatory bodies, by failing to consult and win goodwill for KQ strategies as the chief PR man of the airline. The customers, for crappy customer service, constant delays and why in the name of god do you serve us nuts on all flights? we are not squirrels. NAIKUNI MUST GO. To protect your ears from rapturing due to cabin pressure. I need a defination of the cabin to understand who is carried there! You may google to understand... Link.... Would you also need the definition of cabin crew ? You've all heard Flight Attendants say, "The aircraft is pressurized for your comfort. In case of a rapid change in cabin pressure, ...etc.". Most of us don’t pay any attention anymore, we’re so “old hat” about flying. Aircrafts are pressurized to ensure that the occupants have a livable environment while the aircraft flies at altitudes up to 45,000 feet above sea level for the subsonic jets, up to 51,000 ft for the executive jets, and up to 60,000 feet in the case of Concorde. At those altitudes the human body would quickly die; thus, the aircraft's fuselage is pressurized to an altitude that people can live and, more importantly, work in without any impairment of their faculties. The ear is the organ that usually suffers the most due to changes in air pressure. When the pressure is reducing (i.e. cabin altitude is increasing during aircraft climb), the air can easily pass down into the nose/throat area to relieve the pressure changes. Air may also pass out of other body orifices, causing discomfort and/or embarrassment. When the aircraft is descending from cruise to the destination, the pressure in the cabin increases (i.e. cabin altitude is decreasing). Increases in pressure can cause the eustachian tube to collapse, thus not allowing equalization of pressure in the ear. This collapse, and inability to equalize pressure, is the major cause of ear discomfort and/or pain. Thats one of the reasons KQ gives nuts to assist balance the pressure in your ears as you chew..... I hope this explains it..... Kwa hivyo njugu sio snack for hunger pangs? Ni pressure equalizer in other words? Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/21/2008 Posts: 2,490
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Appeal ruling happening today.. The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
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