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simonkabz
#61 Posted : Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:21:24 PM
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I would develop depression if I saw evidence that stolen loot is invested abroad as opposed to locally. Much as money is stolen through creative tendering schemes and creative accounting techniques, I want to believe most if not all is invested right here in our motherland. My little knowledge informs me this is the reason our economy remains resilient, doesn't lose.

We might be losing on govt service delivery but the money, or most of it is still circulating here.

I can also attest to the fact that theft of public funds is a complicated affair, and I highly doubt the 300b figure. The systems in place are too thorough, too complex......

I'm not worried, but the future worries me. In my slum town of mombasa, I'm not surprised at the shutting down of several big hotels during peak season.......if we cannot fix infrastructure. Joho n his cronies cannot inspire a goat!

Money will hence be diverted from critical services to individuals, but remain within the economy nevertheless.........booming economy, bad roads etc

The more the reason I would vote again n again for PK. ......for he is a benevolent dictator!
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Mukiri
#62 Posted : Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:34:48 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
I would develop depression if I saw evidence that stolen loot is invested abroad as opposed to locally. Much as money is stolen through creative tendering schemes and creative accounting techniques, I want to believe most if not all is invested right here in our motherland. My little knowledge informs me this is the reason our economy remains resilient, doesn't lose.

We might be losing on govt service delivery but the money, or most of it is still circulating here.

I can also attest to the fact that theft of public funds is a complicated affair, and I highly doubt the 300b figure. The systems in place are too thorough, too complex......

I'm not worried, but the future worries me. In my slum town of mombasa, I'm not surprised at the shutting down of several big hotels during peak season.......if we cannot fix infrastructure. Joho n his cronies cannot inspire a goat!

Money will hence be diverted from critical services to individuals, but remain within the economy nevertheless.........booming economy, bad roads etc

The more the reason I would vote again n again for PK. ......for he is a benevolent dictator!

The problem with that scenario is, much as the money MIGHT remain in circulation, the rich get richer and poor poorer. The divide gets bigger which is a recipe for disaster.

There is also no guarantee of funds remaining here with Chinese developers, Asians with roots back home and scared technocrats who'd much rather hide their money abroad. People seeking medical care abroad, further studies, holiday homes etc. Inflation pap! You and me will feel that pinch in addition to poor government services.

I agree with you however that PK was the best choice for Kenya. I hope he has good advisors come next election. He'd have been well advised to vie for Nairobi Governor and President thereafter.

Proverbs 19:21
simonkabz
#63 Posted : Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:47:05 PM
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You are on point about the consequences of transfering money from the govt to a few individuals within the same economy. Govt is for all. Few corrupt fellows are for themselves, though they tend to spend n spur a dull economy.

We need a president who LOVES TANGIBLE DEVELOPMENT. Not strictures, sijui human rights sijui freedom......Africa needs tangible development FIRST, not these other oportunistic developments.....the west was built on Railways, Roads, Agrarian and Industrial revolutions, not stupid human rights for mungiki, mafia and militia.......Somebody take over from where baks left!
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Alba
#64 Posted : Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:49:45 PM
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When it comes to fighting corruption , the buck stops with the president. Not the Veep. Not the prime minister. Its the president who has the power to do something about corruption.

In 2002 when NARC was elected, some cabinet ministers such as RAO and Karisa Maitha tried to take only tentative steps to fight corruption. RAO started to repossess land grabbed in road reserves. The person who stopped him was none other than Kibz. And dont forget that grandiose corruption was done by people in Kibaki's inner circle. The mount Kenya mafia was real. Even the pro-Kibaki daily nation said as much.

So this time if you are hoping for corruption to be addressed, look no further than UK. Dont look at Ruto. UK is the one who has the power. lets not make excuses this time. Corruption is literally killing Kenyans. It is rendering Kenyans jobless which in turn leads to rise in crime.
Siringi
#65 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:26:42 PM
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Siringi
#66 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:50:13 PM
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The Kenya National audit Office is now digital and the reports are available online

Read GoK audit reports here===> http://kenao.go.ke
"๐Ÿ˜–๐Ÿ˜กKQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜ " overheard in Wazua
Alba
#67 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2015 5:14:55 PM
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tycho wrote:


Pointing at the President is a most convenient way for reinforcing corruption.

If we are really sincere about corruption then we should be able to see our own corruption and overcome it. And doing this would mean restructuring our personality. A difficult task. Perhaps we have less will than the president.



Kenyans cannot overcome our own corruption. Human beings will always steal if they can get away with it. They will only stop if there is a deterrent. If Mr.President starts to enforce the law and call out the thieves, if judiciary is empowered to throw people in prison. If president empowers the anti corruption authority......we will see progress.

President has the most power to lead a cultural shift away from impunity. He seems unwilling.

You are right however that this is our fault as Kenyans. Instead of voting on issues like corruption, crime, security etc , we have chosen tribalism and tyranny of numbers as our primary election criteria. We are quick to make excuses for a leader if he happens to be from our ethnic group.

If Kenyans chose to make corruption the number one voting issue as Indians did in their recent election then elected officials would do something about.

Thats why I always say tribalism is the biggest cancer. We cannot progress if tribe is the number one criteria for voting. We cannot prosper if we keep making lame excuses for our leaders.
Kratos
#68 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2015 5:57:21 PM
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Alba wrote:
tycho wrote:


Pointing at the President is a most convenient way for reinforcing corruption.

If we are really sincere about corruption then we should be able to see our own corruption and overcome it. And doing this would mean restructuring our personality. A difficult task. Perhaps we have less will than the president.



Kenyans cannot overcome our own corruption. Human beings will always steal if they can get away with it. They will only stop if there is a deterrent. If Mr.President starts to enforce the law and call out the thieves, if judiciary is empowered to throw people in prison. If president empowers the anti corruption authority......we will see progress.

President has the most power to lead a cultural shift away from impunity. He seems unwilling.

You are right however that this is our fault as Kenyans. Instead of voting on issues like corruption, crime, security etc , we have chosen tribalism and tyranny of numbers as our primary election criteria. We are quick to make excuses for a leader if he happens to be from our ethnic group.

If Kenyans chose to make corruption the number one voting issue as Indians did in their recent election then elected officials would do something about.

Thats why I always say tribalism is the biggest cancer. We cannot progress if tribe is the number one criteria for voting. We cannot prosper if we keep making lame excuses for our leaders.


Kindly explain which powers are these other than appointing the ethics and the anti corruption commission and abstaining from influencing the judiciary and ensuring independence of all systems of government.

โ€œPeople will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.โ€ โ€• Walter C. Langer
Alba
#69 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2015 6:28:59 PM
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@ Kratos
What Kenya needs most is a cultural shift away from the culture of impunity and thievery.


1. Much corruption happens because the thieves are protected by president or other authorities. Rather than protect thieves he can ensure that thieves are prosecuted and publicly shamed

2. We all know the judiciary is not independent. It is heavily influenced by the office of the president.

3. MPs are constantly fighting the anti corruption authority thus rendering it toothless. President can provide leadership and tell his MPs to stop fighting KACA.

3b. He can publicly support and protect whistleblowers. A classic example of this is John Githongo who had to run for dear life because the government offered him no protection when he was threatened with death by powerful people.


4. All presidential appointees caught stealing should be fired in public by the president and he should publicly call for their prosecution. This includes cabinet ministers. If there is any hint of a scandal, the president himself should call for an independent inquiry.

4b. President should enforce independent audits of all ministries that looks into issues like procurement and tenders. Cabinet secretaries who cannot account for funds or do not follow procurement rules should be fired.

5. If an MP is corrupt, president should urge his supporters not to vote for him next time. UK has a lot of sway among the people. They will quickly dump an MP at Uhuru's request.

6. He can actively speak out against land grabbing and protect activists. A classic example is the Langata primary saga where Uhuru never spoke out until all hell had broken loose. And instead of criticizing the land grabbers, he criticized Boniface Mwangi. We all know the land grabbers are being protected and activists are being hounded with death threats.

6b. President can shift culture by embracing and protecting activists like Boniface Mwangi.
Our first president stood aside as anti corruption activists like Pio Gama Pinto and JM Kariuki were murdered. No effort was made to investigate the murders. In 1990, Ouko was murdered for fighting corruption. Yet again The killers were protected by the president.

6c. I understand Gado was fired from Daily Nation at Uhuru's behest. This shows you how much power and influence a president has. If you think it is limited to his constitutional powers, you are mistaken.

7. Most importantly : A president should never benefit from corruption. Our first president (kenyatta) was a major land grabber who encouraged others to steal. Moi looted the treasury dry and encouraged his cohorts to steal. But unconditional support based on tribalism kept them in power.

I could go on and on but these are just a few of the things a president can do. Bottomline is that a president has the most power to fight corruption. He has cultural influence, he has a mandate, he has a big platform to speak out and he has constitutional powers. Nyerere fought corruption in Tanzania very successfully(admittedly he was too extreme). Since he left office, Tanzania has been drifting deeper and deeper into Kenya-like thievery.


McReggae
#70 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2015 6:50:32 PM
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Thieves!!!!
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