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Rank: Member Joined: 10/8/2010 Posts: 446 Location: london
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The contractor did a brilliant job but the designers never thought of joining the highway from service lane or exiting the highway to service lane. There must be enough space to accelerate before joining the highway.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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it was designed by indian engineers. The roads ministry need to fund another redesign especially for safety issues on the service lanes. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/19/2009 Posts: 671 Location: Nairobi
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I don't use Thika Rd frequently, but few times that I have, my biggest problem was the signage more than anything else. Most entry/exit signage were either too soon, or too late for one to take action.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Speed bump signs placed 2 metres to the rumble strips, which are 1 metre from the bumps. .....SMH. ... Exits prior to congested underpasses~At times you want to go beyond the underpass then exit. .... Very tiny drainage holes on the drifts. .. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/13/2007 Posts: 57
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And my favourtite are the Orange warning signs placed between the service and lane 1(Leftmost lane), - "THROUGH TRAFFIC MERGE RIGHT' Am always perplexed who is it addressed to, guys on The service lanes or Lane 1? 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/16/2007 Posts: 2,114
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Does this imply that engineers at the roads ministry don't drive?..otherwise they should have noted these shortcomings..
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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@chaka, its not the kenyan engineers who designed the road. its an indian engineering consultancy firm. For kenyan engineers to alter the design, the contract btn kenya and the indian engineers need to be altered. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/16/2007 Posts: 2,114
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a4architect.com wrote:@chaka, its not the kenyan engineers who designed the road. its an indian engineering consultancy firm.
For kenyan engineers to alter the design, the contract btn kenya and the indian engineers need to be altered. @4Arch, What you are saying is that for these kinds of projects the "client: i.e Kenya Government cannot make any recommendations before project rollout?
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/18/2012 Posts: 235
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webish wrote:I don't use Thika Rd frequently, but few times that I have, my biggest problem was the signage more than anything else.
Most entry/exit signage were either too soon, or too late for one to take action. True. I also find some sections of the service lanes too narrow, its a nightmare to overtake a bus/lorry
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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Chaka wrote:a4architect.com wrote:@chaka, its not the kenyan engineers who designed the road. its an indian engineering consultancy firm.
For kenyan engineers to alter the design, the contract btn kenya and the indian engineers need to be altered. @4Arch, What you are saying is that for these kinds of projects the "client: i.e Kenya Government cannot make any recommendations before project rollout? the client i.e Kenya is represented by ps ministry of roads. His office should have seen this and pointed out to the consultants to amend design but it looks like the design phase was not properly taken care of. The experience of the engineering consultancy should be able toiron out these issues. Looks like the vetting process for consultancy didnt get the best engineers. The indians maybe did not have experience with such projects. The chinese contractors, hovewer, did a perfect job . The reason kenya was using international consultants is coz we dont have engineers with such experience so we cnt fault ps ministry of roads for not seeing this. We can fault the selection process since they should have given us engineers with previous experience on such roads. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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a4architect.com wrote:Chaka wrote:a4architect.com wrote:@chaka, its not the kenyan engineers who designed the road. its an indian engineering consultancy firm.
For kenyan engineers to alter the design, the contract btn kenya and the indian engineers need to be altered. @4Arch, What you are saying is that for these kinds of projects the "client: i.e Kenya Government cannot make any recommendations before project rollout? the client i.e Kenya is represented by ps ministry of roads. His office should have seen this and pointed out to the consultants to amend design but it looks like the design phase was not properly taken care of. The experience of the engineering consultancy should be able toiron out these issues. Looks like the vetting process for consultancy didnt get the best engineers. The indians maybe did not have experience with such projects. The chinese contractors, hovewer, did a perfect job . The reason kenya was using international consultants is coz we dont have engineers with such experience so we cnt fault ps ministry of roads for not seeing this. We can fault the selection process since they should have given us engineers with previous experience on such roads. @a4arch who were the consultant? All my searches show mostly the Chinese Contractors but are silent on the Consultants. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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such road solutions are only found through competitive design bidding where several people are give an chance to show case their solutions to the client i.e kenya then the best design wins. Competitive designs should be embraced in roads and buildings in kenya for us to enjoy unique and well thought out designs. Unfortunately, most high level designs are usually done thru under table dealings.  http://www.vam.ac.uk/cha...ect_competition_winner/
http://marhaba.com.qa/ka...d-signs-design-contest/
http://archinect.com/for...hitecture-and-aestheticsAs Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/22/2008 Posts: 88
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I attended the Embu investors conference at Izaak walton inn and was impressed with the county's plan for roads. The Governor has contracted a kenyan Engineering firm to to come up with a proposal of a model design for future Embu roads. He says the road designs in kenya are based on western and China road models which are very expensive, currently at Ksh.60m per Km. He says by borrowing from Malaysia, Brazil and India, we shall be able to reduce the cost by as much as 2/3. He explained that within 10 years, all the 6 key roads in Embu will be done and urges the doubting Thomases to wait and seen what the county management will do. It sounded so good, but I am not sure whether I ma not one of the doubting thomases
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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bkismat wrote:a4architect.com wrote:Chaka wrote:a4architect.com wrote:@chaka, its not the kenyan engineers who designed the road. its an indian engineering consultancy firm.
For kenyan engineers to alter the design, the contract btn kenya and the indian engineers need to be altered. @4Arch, What you are saying is that for these kinds of projects the "client: i.e Kenya Government cannot make any recommendations before project rollout? the client i.e Kenya is represented by ps ministry of roads. His office should have seen this and pointed out to the consultants to amend design but it looks like the design phase was not properly taken care of. The experience of the engineering consultancy should be able toiron out these issues. Looks like the vetting process for consultancy didnt get the best engineers. The indians maybe did not have experience with such projects. The chinese contractors, hovewer, did a perfect job . The reason kenya was using international consultants is coz we dont have engineers with such experience so we cnt fault ps ministry of roads for not seeing this. We can fault the selection process since they should have given us engineers with previous experience on such roads. @a4arch who were the consultant? All my searches show mostly the Chinese Contractors but are silent on the Consultants. @bkismat..the consultants are from India. I cant remember the name but i have seen their contract documents. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/25/2007 Posts: 1,574
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a4architect.com wrote:@bkismat..the consultants are from India. I cant remember the name but i have seen their contract documents. @A4A, the consultants were a mhindi company called Apec Consortium Ltd. Their website is: www.apecltd.co.ke. Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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jguru wrote:a4architect.com wrote:@bkismat..the consultants are from India. I cant remember the name but i have seen their contract documents. @A4A, the consultants were a mhindi company called Apec Consortium Ltd. Their website is: www.apecltd.co.ke. @jguru, thanks. it looks like they are local and not from india. Quote:APEC LTD. Consulting Engineers was founded in 1995 and incorporated under the laws of Kenya in 1996. In 2002 a sister company, APEC Consortium Ltd was incorporated under the same directorship in order to serve its clientele with a greater degree of flexibility. For the 10 years that the firm has been in existence, it has been involved in works of multidisciplinary nature funded by various Development Agencies, Governments and private sector. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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a4architect.com wrote:jguru wrote:a4architect.com wrote:@bkismat..the consultants are from India. I cant remember the name but i have seen their contract documents. @A4A, the consultants were a mhindi company called Apec Consortium Ltd. Their website is: www.apecltd.co.ke. @jguru, thanks. it looks like they are local and not from india. Quote:APEC LTD. Consulting Engineers was founded in 1995 and incorporated under the laws of Kenya in 1996. In 2002 a sister company, APEC Consortium Ltd was incorporated under the same directorship in order to serve its clientele with a greater degree of flexibility. For the 10 years that the firm has been in existence, it has been involved in works of multidisciplinary nature funded by various Development Agencies, Governments and private sector. Looks like a Joint Venture, APEC local and CES Indian. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/8/2010 Posts: 446 Location: london
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a4architect.com wrote:@chaka, its not the kenyan engineers who designed the road. its an indian engineering consultancy firm.
For kenyan engineers to alter the design, the contract btn kenya and the indian engineers need to be altered. 4 architect, dont you think you should raise this concern with relevant authorities since you are an engineer yourself and also the health hazard this road is to the users?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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Chaka wrote:Does this imply that engineers at the roads ministry don't drive?..otherwise they should have noted these shortcomings.. Kenyan roads engineers/designers do not drive, nor do they walk. They are chauffeur-driven [back-left]! That's why you find such silly mistakes as enumerated above. Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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african coloner wrote:a4architect.com wrote:@chaka, its not the kenyan engineers who designed the road. its an indian engineering consultancy firm.
For kenyan engineers to alter the design, the contract btn kenya and the indian engineers need to be altered. 4 architect, dont you think you should raise this concern with relevant authorities since you are an engineer yourself and also the health hazard this road is to the users? the solution lies in opening up road designs competitions where architects can also participate in the traffic flow and aesthetics part in a consortium with road engineers. Kenyan law would need to be changed for this to happen. Currently, road design is done under cap 530 kenyan law by the road engineers. Road consultancy procurement is done under PPOA laws which do not expressly instruct for competitive designs. They mostly check number of staff, number of years, cash flow, education level etc but not design. Unless Govt Ministry of roads has a portal like wazua for us to give them suggestions,from the comfort of our offices, i think physically proposing such radical changes , knowing how kenya works, is a futile attempt . The other day i saw @ukenyatta unveiling national transport board. Here there are people i believe who can genuinely assist in this especially Advocate Charles Kanjama and Rita Kavashe, who are well accomplished in the private sector. These to me signify hope and new change in the way things will run. http://www.ntsa.go.ke/in...amp;id=85&Itemid=487As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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