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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,706
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@Urstill1 your intentions are noble but you are being unrealistic here. We all see the world from where we stand. To ask us to have views of a problem from a perspective other than where we are is unrealistic, it is to ask for an exercise in imagination and not just any imagination but an imagination that totally obliterates our existence.
On the contrary I would advocate for greater expression of bias so that we all know where we stand. On matters politics it is those with the most extreme views (coloured goggles) who make it known to us where the shoe pinches. I love reading what McDoba has to say about anything the Jubilee Garment has or has not done. I love to hear Amores' and simonkabz's views on Cord. I would rather we hear or read it here than have it bottled up and see explosions. I wish there was a member here with Al Shabab tinted goggles so that we can hear what their issues are and we can tell him what ours are.
I say everyone put on your goggles and tell us what you see.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/21/2012 Posts: 1,739
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Kusadikika wrote:@Urstill1 your intentions are noble but you are being unrealistic here. We all see the world from where we stand. To ask us to have views of a problem from a perspective other than where we are is unrealistic, it is to ask for an exercise in imagination and not just any imagination but an imagination that totally obliterates our existence.
On the contrary I would advocate for greater expression of bias so that we all know where we stand. On matters politics it is those with the most extreme views (coloured goggles) who make it known to us where the shoe pinches. I love reading what McDoba has to say about anything the Jubilee Garment has or has not done. I love to hear Amores' and simonkabz's views on Cord. I would rather we hear or read it here than have it bottled up and see explosions. I wish there was a member here with Al Shabab tinted goggles so that we can hear what their issues are and we can tell him what ours are.
I say everyone put on your goggles and tell us what you see. There goes a clearer goggle wearer. I like your thoughts. You should donate your goggles to most of wazuans. Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God..
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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ecstacy wrote:
Japan
They've had a common enemy Korea to unite them and a proper defeat in WWII to unite them. Just for the point in the same regard, Israel is 'one'. Next.
Like they were not ONE before the world war? Korea [North & South] was a Japanese colony before the world war. Japs have been ONE for thousands of years. Israel is ONE, South Korea is ONE, Singapore is ONE. The leadership should make us feel one, not appointing your tribes men and women only and eexpect everyone else to embrace "ONENESS". But with goggles, people want to believe their is no country on earth which is ONE, in order to justify their tribalism. What goes around, comes around.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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mkeiyd wrote:ecstacy wrote:
Japan
They've had a common enemy Korea to unite them and a proper defeat in WWII to unite them. Just for the point in the same regard, Israel is 'one'. Next.
Like they were not ONE before the world war? Korea [North & South] was a Japanese colony before the world war. Japs have been ONE for thousands of years. Israel is ONE, South Korea is ONE, Singapore is ONE. The leadership should make us feel one, not appointing your tribes men and women only and eexpect everyone else to embrace "ONENESS". But with goggles, people want to believe their is no country on earth which is ONE, in order to justify their tribalism. What goes around, comes around. When you have a mutual interest in survival as a state you will be one. It has and will remain the case. Who are you demanding ONE-NESS from? Being ONE as someone who has been to school and can sit behind a keyboard to post what they think in Wazua should remind you it is YOU'RE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, not baba not UK not 'the government'. It starts with you!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2012 Posts: 3,855 Location: Othumo
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If you try to reason without goggles, then your brain level with be like some pastor. Goggles help you identify with us and not them!!! Thieves
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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urstill1 wrote:Is it possible? Just for this thread? Hizo zingine you can have them on. What's your say on our government? What's the way forward for our country? What can bring us together without involving the political leaders? It's possible for us to transform our goggles to what we may call 'optimal goggles' on this thread. I believe a key word for us is 'transformation'. It's about transforming ourselves and even our consciousness and understanding of government. Without optimal goggles how can we evaluate anything. You are thinking of an apolitical process of unification. It's possible only to have a 'super political' process that gives the individual power and inalienable rights that are pre political. These rights are conferred to Man by God. A reclaiming and use of these rights through dialogue and communal implementation is enough not just to unite our country, but all countries.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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There goes the thread!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:urstill1 wrote:Is it possible? Just for this thread? Hizo zingine you can have them on. What's your say on our government? What's the way forward for our country? What can bring us together without involving the political leaders? It's possible for us to transform our goggles to what we may call 'optimal goggles' on this thread. I believe a key word for us is 'transformation'. It's about transforming ourselves and even our consciousness and understanding of government. Without optimal goggles how can we evaluate anything. You are thinking of an apolitical process of unification. It's possible only to have a 'super political' process that gives the individual power and inalienable rights that are pre political. These rights are conferred to Man by God. A reclaiming and use of these rights through dialogue and communal implementation is enough not just to unite our country, but all countries. Urstill1 is talking about spirituality. I am glad you also have noted it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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ZZE123 wrote:Magigi wrote:Not possible for some people! Most people  "wale watu" Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Even in the Bible unity was only found against a common enemy, ndevo. So chastisement is not you per-se, but the ndevo in you.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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ecstacy wrote:Wazua should remind you it is YOU'RE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, not baba not UK not 'the government'. It starts with you!! @ecstacy, ?I see you sneaked in with your super-duper goggles. When leadership is representative of all citizens[tribes/clans/races] all the people feel they belong. If leadership is made of some,the rest feel alienated. It starts with me? Yeah, the same me that can't get assistance from my gov't to expand my biz. For crying out loud, a foreign gov't takes two weeks to work on licencing yet my gov't can do nothing for three months on the same issue? @ecstacy with your heavy goggles tell me,is that where it should start with me? Feeling helpless?
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Rank: User Joined: 9/6/2013 Posts: 1,446 Location: In a house
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mkeiyd wrote:ecstacy wrote:
Japan
They've had a common enemy Korea to unite them and a proper defeat in WWII to unite them. Just for the point in the same regard, Israel is 'one'. Next.
Like they were not ONE before the world war? Korea [North & South] was a Japanese colony before the world war. Japs have been ONE for thousands of years. Israel is ONE, South Korea is ONE, Singapore is ONE. The leadership should make us feel one, not appointing your tribes men and women only and eexpect everyone else to embrace "ONENESS". But with goggles, people want to believe their is no country on earth which is ONE, in order to justify their tribalism. What goes around, comes around. Waambie! Hata Tunisia was one during the Arab spring!
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Rank: User Joined: 9/6/2013 Posts: 1,446 Location: In a house
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ecstacy wrote:mkeiyd wrote:ecstacy wrote:
Japan
They've had a common enemy Korea to unite them and a proper defeat in WWII to unite them. Just for the point in the same regard, Israel is 'one'. Next.
Like they were not ONE before the world war? Korea [North & South] was a Japanese colony before the world war. Japs have been ONE for thousands of years. Israel is ONE, South Korea is ONE, Singapore is ONE. The leadership should make us feel one, not appointing your tribes men and women only and eexpect everyone else to embrace "ONENESS". But with goggles, people want to believe their is no country on earth which is ONE, in order to justify their tribalism. What goes around, comes around. When you have a mutual interest in survival as a state you will be one. It has and will remain the case. Who are you demanding ONE-NESS from? Being ONE as someone who has been to school and can sit behind a keyboard to post what they think in Wazua should remind you it is YOU'RE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, not baba not UK not 'the government'. It starts with you!! Not just YOU!! It's YOU and ME. YOU alone won't work!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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Kusadikika wrote:
I say everyone put on your goggles and tell us what you see.
You are so right.Hii mambo ya kupembelezana is taking us nowhere.Time to put on my pair of inch thick ngongos made of hardwood and covered in a black layer of bituminous tar. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Njung'e wrote:Kusadikika wrote:
I say everyone put on your goggles and tell us what you see.
You are so right.Hii mambo ya kupembelezana is taking as nowhere.Time to put on my pair of ngongos made of hardwood and covered with a black layer of bituminous tar. Hehehehe....kwani umewahitoa??? ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:Njung'e wrote:Kusadikika wrote:
I say everyone put on your goggles and tell us what you see.
You are so right.Hii mambo ya kupembelezana is taking as nowhere.Time to put on my pair of ngongos made of hardwood and covered with a black layer of bituminous tar. Hehehehe....kwani umewahitoa??? No!...The previous ones used to see a foot beyond my nose.I want none of That! Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Njung'e wrote:McReggae wrote:Njung'e wrote:Kusadikika wrote:
I say everyone put on your goggles and tell us what you see.
You are so right.Hii mambo ya kupembelezana is taking as nowhere.Time to put on my pair of ngongos made of hardwood and covered with a black layer of bituminous tar. Hehehehe....kwani umewahitoa??? No!...The previous ones used to see a foot beyond my nose.I want none of That! Hii basi sasa itabidi nitafute ile ya shuma!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:Njung'e wrote:McReggae wrote:Njung'e wrote:Kusadikika wrote:
I say everyone put on your goggles and tell us what you see.
You are so right.Hii mambo ya kupembelezana is taking as nowhere.Time to put on my pair of ngongos made of hardwood and covered with a black layer of bituminous tar. Hehehehe....kwani umewahitoa??? No!...The previous ones used to see a foot beyond my nose.I want none of That! Hii basi sasa itabidi nitafute ile ya shuma!!!! No need.Hizo zako za hyacinth will still serve the purpose. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Njung'e wrote:McReggae wrote:Njung'e wrote:McReggae wrote:Njung'e wrote:Kusadikika wrote:
I say everyone put on your goggles and tell us what you see.
You are so right.Hii mambo ya kupembelezana is taking as nowhere.Time to put on my pair of ngongos made of hardwood and covered with a black layer of bituminous tar. Hehehehe....kwani umewahitoa??? No!...The previous ones used to see a foot beyond my nose.I want none of That! Hii basi sasa itabidi nitafute ile ya shuma!!!! No need.Hizo zako za hyacinth will still serve the purpose. Heheheh I can see you have already positioned yours!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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