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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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poundfoolish wrote:kenyanbeef wrote:Wendz wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:Trust me, even the best PR guru would not do it any better than Ole Lenku. It just confirms how clueless the security guys (and the government) are when dealing with challenges.
And people should learn to fight the REAL culprits. Calling for the sacking of Ole Lenku and not that of Kimaiyo is bizarre! I don't think they are clueless... remember they had even been informed of the attack way before it happened... to me, it sounds like trying to hide an elephant with a handkerchief.... it's a tough task even for an angel. It can't get more clueless. When you have such intel that includes the actual date and they still did nothing! An NIS agent even went as far as warning somebody (the pregnant lady) on that material day, to leave the mall since there was going to be a stampede. It's a shame really!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/7/2010 Posts: 282 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:poundfoolish wrote:kenyanbeef wrote:Wendz wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:Trust me, even the best PR guru would not do it any better than Ole Lenku. It just confirms how clueless the security guys (and the government) are when dealing with challenges.
And people should learn to fight the REAL culprits. Calling for the sacking of Ole Lenku and not that of Kimaiyo is bizarre! I don't think they are clueless... remember they had even been informed of the attack way before it happened... to me, it sounds like trying to hide an elephant with a handkerchief.... it's a tough task even for an angel. It can't get more clueless. When you have such intel that includes the actual date and they still did nothing! An NIS agent even went as far as warning somebody (the pregnant lady) on that material day, to leave the mall since there was going to be a stampede. It's a shame really!!! What if it was 'allowed' to happen for various reasons? If I were an arms trader supplying dod to keep kdf in Somalia, I wont want kdf out of Somalia. So a terror attack provides an opportunity for kdf to remain in Somalia and I keep supply contracts. If I was PORK, and was faced with icc, cord & other challenges, then a terror act can have some geopolitical advantages. 1. To rally the whole country/world together against the enemy, since we are 1. 2. Improved cooperation with the west even with ‘choices have consequences’ tag. 3. Presents an opportunity to re-organize/restructure the security institutions -hire/fire. IMHO
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 7,081 Location: Kenya
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Why cant the names of the missing persons be published in the dailies...Those who are alive watajitokeza!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,335 Location: Masada
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sky5 wrote:McReggae wrote:poundfoolish wrote:kenyanbeef wrote:Wendz wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:Trust me, even the best PR guru would not do it any better than Ole Lenku. It just confirms how clueless the security guys (and the government) are when dealing with challenges.
And people should learn to fight the REAL culprits. Calling for the sacking of Ole Lenku and not that of Kimaiyo is bizarre! I don't think they are clueless... remember they had even been informed of the attack way before it happened... to me, it sounds like trying to hide an elephant with a handkerchief.... it's a tough task even for an angel. It can't get more clueless. When you have such intel that includes the actual date and they still did nothing! An NIS agent even went as far as warning somebody (the pregnant lady) on that material day, to leave the mall since there was going to be a stampede. It's a shame really!!! What if it was 'allowed' to happen for various reasons? If I were an arms trader supplying dod to keep kdf in Somalia, I wont want kdf out of Somalia. So a terror attack provides an opportunity for kdf to remain in Somalia and I keep supply contracts. If I was PORK, and was faced with icc, cord & other challenges, then a terror act can have some geopolitical advantages. 1. To rally the whole country/world together against the enemy, since we are 1.2. Improved cooperation with the west even with ‘choices have consequences’ tag. 3. Presents an opportunity to re-organize/restructure the security institutions -hire/fire. IMHO Most misused sentence in the last one week!  Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/7/2010 Posts: 520 Location: Epicentre - Ngamia 1
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Magigi wrote:
Why cant the names of the missing persons be published in the dailies...Those who are alive watajitokeza!
14 found alive from inside the Westgate ama wapi? If the former, GOD IS INDEED GREAT!!!  Build your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs - Farrah Gray.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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Forester wrote:Magigi wrote:
Why cant the names of the missing persons be published in the dailies...Those who are alive watajitokeza!
14 found alive from inside the Westgate ama wapi? If the former, GOD IS INDEED GREAT!!! Can i be allowed to laugh or cry. Just any action to express my emotions.. So hii list ya 60 imetoka wapi? Lenku didnt have it? *starts wailing*
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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sky5 wrote:McReggae wrote:poundfoolish wrote:kenyanbeef wrote:Wendz wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:Trust me, even the best PR guru would not do it any better than Ole Lenku. It just confirms how clueless the security guys (and the government) are when dealing with challenges.
And people should learn to fight the REAL culprits. Calling for the sacking of Ole Lenku and not that of Kimaiyo is bizarre! I don't think they are clueless... remember they had even been informed of the attack way before it happened... to me, it sounds like trying to hide an elephant with a handkerchief.... it's a tough task even for an angel. It can't get more clueless. When you have such intel that includes the actual date and they still did nothing! An NIS agent even went as far as warning somebody (the pregnant lady) on that material day, to leave the mall since there was going to be a stampede. It's a shame really!!! What if it was 'allowed' to happen for various reasons? If I were an arms trader supplying dod to keep kdf in Somalia, I wont want kdf out of Somalia. So a terror attack provides an opportunity for kdf to remain in Somalia and I keep supply contracts. If I was PORK, and was faced with icc, cord & other challenges, then a terror act can have some geopolitical advantages. 1. To rally the whole country/world together against the enemy, since we are 1. 2. Improved cooperation with the west even with ‘choices have consequences’ tag. 3. Presents an opportunity to re-organize/restructure the security institutions -hire/fire. IMHO I like the fact that you have brought in the angle that most people would not delve into hapa wazua....who stood to gain from the terror attack? ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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sky5 wrote:McReggae wrote:poundfoolish wrote:kenyanbeef wrote:Wendz wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:Trust me, even the best PR guru would not do it any better than Ole Lenku. It just confirms how clueless the security guys (and the government) are when dealing with challenges.
And people should learn to fight the REAL culprits. Calling for the sacking of Ole Lenku and not that of Kimaiyo is bizarre! I don't think they are clueless... remember they had even been informed of the attack way before it happened... to me, it sounds like trying to hide an elephant with a handkerchief.... it's a tough task even for an angel. It can't get more clueless. When you have such intel that includes the actual date and they still did nothing! An NIS agent even went as far as warning somebody (the pregnant lady) on that material day, to leave the mall since there was going to be a stampede. It's a shame really!!! What if it was 'allowed' to happen for various reasons? If I were an arms trader supplying dod to keep kdf in Somalia, I wont want kdf out of Somalia. So a terror attack provides an opportunity for kdf to remain in Somalia and I keep supply contracts. If I was PORK, and was faced with icc, cord & other challenges, then a terror act can have some geopolitical advantages. 1. To rally the whole country/world together against the enemy, since we are 1. 2. Improved cooperation with the west even with ‘choices have consequences’ tag. 3. Presents an opportunity to re-organize/restructure the security institutions -hire/fire. IMHO Looking at the timing, unless you are saying the government organised it itself, i doubt they'd be crossing their fingers for the attack to happen for the reasons above. They sound quite far fetched and the last one is short of ridiculous..... The West has not refused to cooperate with kenyatta, it is kenyatta who headed east..... he's not been blocked from accessing any of the western countries or cooperating with them....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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Wendz wrote:sky5 wrote:McReggae wrote:poundfoolish wrote:kenyanbeef wrote:Wendz wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:Trust me, even the best PR guru would not do it any better than Ole Lenku. It just confirms how clueless the security guys (and the government) are when dealing with challenges.
And people should learn to fight the REAL culprits. Calling for the sacking of Ole Lenku and not that of Kimaiyo is bizarre! I don't think they are clueless... remember they had even been informed of the attack way before it happened... to me, it sounds like trying to hide an elephant with a handkerchief.... it's a tough task even for an angel. It can't get more clueless. When you have such intel that includes the actual date and they still did nothing! An NIS agent even went as far as warning somebody (the pregnant lady) on that material day, to leave the mall since there was going to be a stampede. It's a shame really!!! What if it was 'allowed' to happen for various reasons? If I were an arms trader supplying dod to keep kdf in Somalia, I wont want kdf out of Somalia. So a terror attack provides an opportunity for kdf to remain in Somalia and I keep supply contracts. If I was PORK, and was faced with icc, cord & other challenges, then a terror act can have some geopolitical advantages. 1. To rally the whole country/world together against the enemy, since we are 1. 2. Improved cooperation with the west even with ‘choices have consequences’ tag. 3. Presents an opportunity to re-organize/restructure the security institutions -hire/fire. IMHO Looking at the timing, unless you are saying the government organised it itself, i doubt they'd be crossing their fingers for the attack to happen for the reasons above. They sound quite far fetched and the last one is short of ridiculous..... The West has not refused to cooperate with kenyatta, it is kenyatta who headed east..... he's not been blocked from accessing any of the western countries or cooperating with them.... Let us also not forget the casualties list.. the high targets;Americans and Israelis were minimal. This is because Israelis, living in a military state wouldn't be caught out at the WestgatE, they understand the risks (the owner even had it insured against terrorism for years now). America, and Europe at large, constantly alerted their citizens kabisa. Almost every month. Kenyans took the brunt, more so of the (politically incorrect term) 'Asian origin', who turn out to be Moslem and Hindu. To the rest of us, we die almost a similar number daily, from preventable causes like road accidents. so the Asian community would feel the brunt of this attack more. If i would put a spin into the conspiracies, i would say the West knew, but decided to let the Chinese send their Special Forces to come protect their new business interests.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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@ladyadmin.. This thread has now become too long and therefore deserves to be closed I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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