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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,335 Location: Masada
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ecstacy wrote:ecstacy wrote:harrydre wrote:we need to get the facts first. like for example, how do we know the terrorists didn't have bombs that they detonated causing the floors to collapse? When the Govt spokesman says the floors collapsed because of the heat 'due to fire lit by Al Shabaab' I think I error on the Al Shabaab side! If you have to lie, lie with style!! The issue here is - Is it true Al Shabaab tied hostages with explosives to pillars in the basement? I believe it is but looking at their twitter handle it seems they were unhappy their trap did not take out as many KDF as designed, why? Maybe simply because the KDF decided no hostage would make it out alive anyway so take out the attackers with their hostages and end any new calculated loss of life.. Confirmed: A gaping hole at Westgate Mall's roof was caused by Kenyan soldiers who fired rocket-propelled grenades inside, knocking out a support column. The soldiers fired to distract a terrorist sniper so hostages could be evacuated. Is there a single hostage who was rescued after the KDF bombing? Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:ecstacy wrote:ecstacy wrote:harrydre wrote:we need to get the facts first. like for example, how do we know the terrorists didn't have bombs that they detonated causing the floors to collapse? When the Govt spokesman says the floors collapsed because of the heat 'due to fire lit by Al Shabaab' I think I error on the Al Shabaab side! If you have to lie, lie with style!! The issue here is - Is it true Al Shabaab tied hostages with explosives to pillars in the basement? I believe it is but looking at their twitter handle it seems they were unhappy their trap did not take out as many KDF as designed, why? Maybe simply because the KDF decided no hostage would make it out alive anyway so take out the attackers with their hostages and end any new calculated loss of life.. Confirmed: A gaping hole at Westgate Mall's roof was caused by Kenyan soldiers who fired rocket-propelled grenades inside, knocking out a support column. The soldiers fired to distract a terrorist sniper so hostages could be evacuated. Is there a single hostage who was rescued after the KDF bombing? We are on the dark on this...are there people still missing their loved ones? possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Gichangi should be replaced. I propose Maj Gen Ali the former police commissioner. If I'm not wrong he was in the intelligence in the army and he's no nonsense. It's time for heads o roll.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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accelriskconsult wrote:I have not seen many condemning the police. I believe that the NSIS is the body that is under attack and rightly so. They need to explain a few things; 1. Is it true that some foreigners who were being deported to Somalia escaped in the aftermath of JKIA fire? 2. Why was the JKIA fire incident treated so casually? 3. Did they act on the tip off provided by Sonko's Pakistani lady? 4. If they prepared reports, who did they share intelligence reports with? Its not the work of the NSIS to follow up on intelligence briefs, thats the work of the cops. Did they? Do they have the capacity? @Maka, its not a matter of how much the OCPD,OCS are paid, but can we as a country afford better qualified individuals to join the force. Its clear those who join the force do it just to get a job since u can get in with Cs and Ds. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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Quote:A composition that a pupil wrote at school helped detectives identify a key witness who may provide crucial information on the Saturday’s Westgate Mall attack.
The pupil in a Nairobi school, told how his aunt’s life was saved by a stranger who warned her to leave the mall just one hour before the deadly attack.
The woman was at the mall when a man approached and advised her to leave as quickly as possible since “there was going to be a stampede.”
The pregnant woman, who stays in Gigiri, rushed home and shared the information with the family members.
Her nephew then went to school and when asked to write a composition about how he spent his Saturday, he narrated how his aunt survived the attack following the warning.
According to the pupil’s teachers, who contacted the police about the composition, he had written about what his aunt had told him.
Through the child, detectives traced the woman who Wednesday gave a detailed description of the man and how he warned her.
“The woman was told to leave the mall because being pregnant, she could not manage to get out because of the mayhem that was about to unfold. We believe she will give useful information to assist us,” the investigator said.
This, detectives say, indicates the group had positioned themselves in strategic positions around the mall. http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/11ebj0f/-/index.html
If only she had reported this to the nearest police station maybe things would have been different. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,335 Location: Masada
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Please allow me to put on some steel helmet and concrete goggles to pose this question: DO YOU THINK CALLING A 3 DAY NATIONAL MOURNING GIVES THE AL SHAABAB SOME FAME AND CHEST THUMPING THAT THEY HAVE MADE US LEARN A BITTER LESSON?  Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 7,081 Location: Kenya
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2012 wrote:Gichangi should be replaced. I propose Maj Gen Ali the former police commissioner. If I'm not wrong he was in the intelligence in the army and he's no nonsense. It's time for heads o roll. Really...If majority of Kenyans think like you, we will never move... He was in the police force for a couple of years...During his stint bribe taking by the the police force reached an all time high... 
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:I have not seen many condemning the police. I believe that the NSIS is the body that is under attack and rightly so. They need to explain a few things; 1. Is it true that some foreigners who were being deported to Somalia escaped in the aftermath of JKIA fire? 2. Why was the JKIA fire incident treated so casually? 3. Did they act on the tip off provided by Sonko's Pakistani lady? 4. If they prepared reports, who did they share intelligence reports with? Its not the work of the NSIS to follow up on intelligence briefs, thats the work of the cops. Did they? Do they have the capacity? @Maka, its not a matter of how much the OCPD,OCS are paid, but can we as a country afford better qualified individuals to join the force. Its clear those who join the force do it just to get a job since u can get in with Cs and Ds. We can afford... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/2/2010 Posts: 305
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murchr wrote:vky wrote:from a KDF pal involved in the operation;
- from cctv nine people pull up at westgate with guns blazing
- enter the mall shoot in the air to alert fellow assailants who were already in the mall then proceed to shooting at people
- number of assailants in excess of 25 took up positions in various parts of the mall
- assailants seemed to specifically target asians and foreigners even took photos of them and posted on twitter before killin them
-assailants rigged 50 cal gun with laser controlled unmanned automatic firing, rigged most of the mall with small explosives
- assailant snipers took positions in the vents
the above i believe played out to prolong the siege becuase the initial respondents to the siege did not expect such level of planning done by the terrorists So some escaped Waaa...if this is true..these aint "young boys, should have been done away with by Saturday afternoon" stuff as some have perpetuated. With these shit load of badass equipment and planning, yenyewe things were deep and thick.
“Once the last tree is cut and the last river poisoned,you will find you cannot eat your money" Traditional saying.
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