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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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harrydre wrote:@ the end of the day, Kenyans will need an account of what happened from start to the end of this incident. This is where the problem lies...They have not given concrete figures, on how many died? Alshabab, say they killed 137...totally conflicting info... Statements like, "we rescued some more..." How many? Is there any hostage inside who got a video showing the operations of these merciless f$%^#@*?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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Finally something from the KDF i can believe.. vky wrote:from a KDF pal involved in the operation;
- from cctv nine people pull up at westgate with guns blazing
five confirmed dead, one tried to shoot his way out and got roasted saturday night.. others died inside.
- enter the mall shoot in the air to alert fellow assailants who were already in the mall then proceed to shooting at people
I was wondering why that little act, cos several witnesses confirmed this
- number of assailants in excess of 25 took up positions in various parts of the mall
So probably some were just in there to rig the place.. then walked out as hostages.. DAMN!!!
- assailants seemed to specifically target asians and foreigners even took photos of them and posted on twitter before killin them
Twitter account?
-assailants rigged 50 cal gun with laser controlled unmanned automatic firing, rigged most of the mall with small explosives
which one is that?
- assailant snipers took positions in the vents
the above i believe played out to prolong the siege becuase the initial respondents to the siege did not expect such level of planning done by the terrorists That was the most dangerous lot... So when the running around was happening.. this guys were taking position... the lady who came out through the vent is pretty lucky. So it might be, this guys did all the killing they needed, took hostages (to kill) then waited for the KDF to slaughter them as well. While we were outside thinking there are hostages in there? Makes sense to me. If the end game was to die with as many people as possible, why hold hostages? Damn this evil is unparalleled.. Would the plan here have been to massacre as many civilians and then wait for soldiers for a final dance? Woi..!!!!! 
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/17/2010 Posts: 572
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maka wrote:I dont know how true this is;
It appears the NIS actually briefed Govt of the imminence of the westgate attacks prior thereof. Relevant briefs duly issued and were robustly discussed. The police then met the putative perpetrators and 'ate'! The briefs were detailed and accurate. Copies thereon are to avail the parliamentary committee on security kesho. It should be quite a spectacle if those proceedings were conducted in public. In the circumstances, It remains doubtful whether heads will roll at all! at the command centre, a KDF officer was ejected from the place for telling kimaiyo to his face that the police had probably arrested the terrorist but were released after dishing out bribes 'One headache for famous medieval holy people was that someone might murder you to acquire your body parts for the relics trade'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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Shak wrote:vky wrote:simonkabz wrote:vky wrote:from a KDF pal involved in the operation;
- from cctv nine people pull up at westgate with guns blazing
- enter the mall shoot in the air to alert fellow assailants who were already in the mall then proceed to shooting at people
- number of assailants in excess of 25 took up positions in various parts of the mall
- assailants seemed to specifically target asians and foreigners even took photos of them and posted on twitter before killin them
-assailants rigged 50 cal gun with laser controlled unmanned automatic firing, rigged most of the mall with small explosives
- assailant snipers took positions in the vents
the above i believe played out to prolong the siege becuase the initial respondents to the siege did not expect such level of planning done by the terrorists The BANE. These rats were crawling through the vents and launched deadly ambushes. the KDF got the vent plans, determined the snipers positions, sealed the vents, got the fans to blow towards the snipers then deployed flame throwers with over 50 metres range and fried the idiots inside the vents wah! Ok Well then this lady must be thanking her God.  After seeing this lady escape through the vent, I thought it was probably the safest place to hide. I have now changed my mind! Most people were shot in the cross fire as they ran for safety,I think we need serious lessons on how to react in extreme situations or how to deal with terror staring us in the face. Where just where, can one hide safely in a building.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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vky wrote:simonkabz wrote:vky wrote:from a KDF pal involved in the operation;
- from cctv nine people pull up at westgate with guns blazing
- enter the mall shoot in the air to alert fellow assailants who were already in the mall then proceed to shooting at people
- number of assailants in excess of 25 took up positions in various parts of the mall
- assailants seemed to specifically target asians and foreigners even took photos of them and posted on twitter before killin them
-assailants rigged 50 cal gun with laser controlled unmanned automatic firing, rigged most of the mall with small explosives
- assailant snipers took positions in the vents
the above i believe played out to prolong the siege becuase the initial respondents to the siege did not expect such level of planning done by the terrorists The BANE. These rats were crawling through the vents and launched deadly ambushes. the KDF got the vent plans, determined the snipers positions, sealed the vents, got the fans to blow towards the snipers then deployed flame throwers with over 50 metres range and fried the idiots inside the vents thats some good stuff, the vent snipping idea at least must have placed them at a disadvantage allowing for their quicker extermination. lakini that interviewee on ntv, haji's son is one brave man, 5 guys moved through 2 floors freeing up people, from his explanation things were very different then, in regards to the explosives and the vent snipping.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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vky wrote:maka wrote:I dont know how true this is;
It appears the NIS actually briefed Govt of the imminence of the westgate attacks prior thereof. Relevant briefs duly issued and were robustly discussed. The police then met the putative perpetrators and 'ate'! The briefs were detailed and accurate. Copies thereon are to avail the parliamentary committee on security kesho. It should be quite a spectacle if those proceedings were conducted in public. In the circumstances, It remains doubtful whether heads will roll at all! at the command centre, a KDF officer was ejected from the place for telling kimaiyo to his face that the police had probably arrested the terrorist but were released after dishing out bribes Uhuru needs to conduct his first public hanging. from some senior OCPD to the constables. KAMITI pap!!! We are told hakuna mwizi na wakuangalia. and being found with stolen goods is just as bad as stealing. Hao Askari pia wawekwe ndani.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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poundfoolish wrote:Finally something from the KDF i can believe.. vky wrote:from a KDF pal involved in the operation;
- from cctv nine people pull up at westgate with guns blazing
five confirmed dead, one tried to shoot his way out and got roasted saturday night.. others died inside.
- enter the mall shoot in the air to alert fellow assailants who were already in the mall then proceed to shooting at people
I was wondering why that little act, cos several witnesses confirmed this
- number of assailants in excess of 25 took up positions in various parts of the mall
So probably some were just in there to rig the place.. then walked out as hostages.. DAMN!!!
- assailants seemed to specifically target asians and foreigners even took photos of them and posted on twitter before killin them
Twitter account?
-assailants rigged 50 cal gun with laser controlled unmanned automatic firing, rigged most of the mall with small explosives
which one is that?
- assailant snipers took positions in the vents
the above i believe played out to prolong the siege becuase the initial respondents to the siege did not expect such level of planning done by the terrorists That was the most dangerous lot... So when the running around was happening.. this guys were taking position... the lady who came out through the vent is pretty lucky. So it might be, this guys did all the killing they needed, took hostages (to kill) then waited for the KDF to slaughter them as well. While we were outside thinking there are hostages in there? Makes sense to me. If the end game was to die with as many people as possible, why hold hostages? Damn this evil is unparalleled.. Would the plan here have been to massacre as many civilians and then wait for soldiers for a final dance? Woi..!!!!! Now you understand why I was shocked by your initial reaction........When these thugs smelled the end was imminent, they started to slaughter the remaining hostages-with knives, head shots etc............The only choice for a potentially violent (frustrated, embarassed and very angry) KDF soldiers was massive violence as payback. Just as they have been trained to do. Kufa gari, kufa dereva...... Yes, and the theory of 25 or more highly trained gunmen makes a lot of sense. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/17/2010 Posts: 572
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poundfoolish wrote:Finally something from the KDF i can believe.. vky wrote:from a KDF pal involved in the operation;
- from cctv nine people pull up at westgate with guns blazing
five confirmed dead, one tried to shoot his way out and got roasted saturday night.. others died inside.
- enter the mall shoot in the air to alert fellow assailants who were already in the mall then proceed to shooting at people
I was wondering why that little act, cos several witnesses confirmed this
- number of assailants in excess of 25 took up positions in various parts of the mall
So probably some were just in there to rig the place.. then walked out as hostages.. DAMN!!!
- assailants seemed to specifically target asians and foreigners even took photos of them and posted on twitter before killin them
Twitter account?
-assailants rigged 50 cal gun with laser controlled unmanned automatic firing, rigged most of the mall with small explosives
which one is that?
- assailant snipers took positions in the vents
the above i believe played out to prolong the siege becuase the initial respondents to the siege did not expect such level of planning done by the terrorists That was the most dangerous lot... So when the running around was happening.. this guys were taking position... the lady who came out through the vent is pretty lucky. So it might be, this guys did all the killing they needed, took hostages (to kill) then waited for the KDF to slaughter them as well. While we were outside thinking there are hostages in there? Makes sense to me. If the end game was to die with as many people as possible, why hold hostages? Damn this evil is unparalleled.. Would the plan here have been to massacre as many civilians and then wait for soldiers for a final dance? Woi..!!!!! from what i understood, its a normal 50 cal gun mounted on a tripod then at the point where the gun is attached to the tripod there is a device that is attached that emits a laser set to a radius of 75 metres, anything that comes into this range the gun rotates in that direction and automatically fires, in this case they set the tripod low so that the gun would take out the legs of anybody who came into range coz our forces had bulletproof vests then when one falls to the ground it would finish the job, to take out this gun they got one of the armoured carriers into the building and disabled the gun, the carrier collapsed a staircase while doing this 'One headache for famous medieval holy people was that someone might murder you to acquire your body parts for the relics trade'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:poundfoolish wrote:Finally something from the KDF i can believe.. vky wrote:from a KDF pal involved in the operation;
- from cctv nine people pull up at westgate with guns blazing
five confirmed dead, one tried to shoot his way out and got roasted saturday night.. others died inside.
- enter the mall shoot in the air to alert fellow assailants who were already in the mall then proceed to shooting at people
I was wondering why that little act, cos several witnesses confirmed this
- number of assailants in excess of 25 took up positions in various parts of the mall
So probably some were just in there to rig the place.. then walked out as hostages.. DAMN!!!
- assailants seemed to specifically target asians and foreigners even took photos of them and posted on twitter before killin them
Twitter account?
-assailants rigged 50 cal gun with laser controlled unmanned automatic firing, rigged most of the mall with small explosives
which one is that?
- assailant snipers took positions in the vents
the above i believe played out to prolong the siege becuase the initial respondents to the siege did not expect such level of planning done by the terrorists That was the most dangerous lot... So when the running around was happening.. this guys were taking position... the lady who came out through the vent is pretty lucky. So it might be, this guys did all the killing they needed, took hostages (to kill) then waited for the KDF to slaughter them as well. While we were outside thinking there are hostages in there? Makes sense to me. If the end game was to die with as many people as possible, why hold hostages? Damn this evil is unparalleled.. Would the plan here have been to massacre as many civilians and then wait for soldiers for a final dance? Woi..!!!!! Now you understand why I was shocked by your initial reaction........When these thugs smelled the end was imminent, they started to slaughter the remaining hostages-with knives, head shots etc............The only choice for a potentially violent (frustrated, embarassed and very angry) KDF soldiers was massive violence as payback. Just as they have been trained to do. Kufa gari, kufa dereva...... Yes, and the theory of 25 or more highly trained gunmen makes a lot of sense. @thimioni i still have my reservations at the delay/timelapse. umeskia kina Haji and four others were moving up and down the stairs rescuing people? I also know for a fact that RECCE were called out,and they were not very happy.
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