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murchr wrote:McReggae wrote:Much Know wrote:Magigi wrote:
Since the President listened to him with his tyranny of numbers he should listen to him more closely...
Clearly he is wearing political goggles. He has obviously been paid by somebody to make that tweet. That's his job, introducing political angles in everything. Seems he has gone back inside agwambo's pocket from where he emerged in 2012.  So who WANTS these posts and have paid MN? I have a question for this Mutahi person. What if the NIS had informed the cops of an apparent attack but the cops dint follow up on the intelligence? Its not the work of the NIS to go after the idiots but the police. I hear this is what happened.. The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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ZZE123 wrote:murchr wrote:McReggae wrote:Much Know wrote:Magigi wrote:
Since the President listened to him with his tyranny of numbers he should listen to him more closely...
Clearly he is wearing political goggles. He has obviously been paid by somebody to make that tweet. That's his job, introducing political angles in everything. Seems he has gone back inside agwambo's pocket from where he emerged in 2012. So who WANTS these posts and have paid MN? I have a question for this Mutahi person. What if the NIS had informed the cops of an apparent attack but the cops dint follow up on the intelligence? Its not the work of the NIS to go after the idiots but the police. I hear this is what happened.. Its not the first time this has happened. The police argue that there have been many force alarms but its not right to gamble "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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poundfoolish wrote:KulaRaha wrote:simonkabz wrote:KulaRaha wrote:TAZ wrote:simonkabz wrote:KulaRaha wrote:According to me, this is the timeline I remember, based on volunteer and eyewitness feedback:
12.30 pm gunmen started firing in westgate
until 3.30 pm situation being managed by civilians, a few plainclothes, and reservists and mystery mzungus that dont exist.
3.30ish a group known as anti terrorism unit arrived and stormed the building. On scene says they confirm to have cleared basement, ground, 2nd and third floors. Many people rescued from here on...most survivors rescued around this time. Most corroborate this saying they were hiding for between 3 and 4 hours.
5.30pm army arrives, atu told to stand down. Army hold positions gained by atu successfully.
11.00 pm volunteers confirm army told to retreat and give up all ground held.
6.00 am army re-enter westgate to find terrorists all over the place.
From Sunday morning the place becomes a tragedy.
This is my recollection. Pls don't shoot me, but try add corrections etc etc.
Lets build a solid timeline and see what really happened.
Recce company? The Israeli special forces (the Sayeret)? I'm convinced they were there.... I'm assuming recce company = atu = radiation squad etc. Volunteers confirm armed forces other than kenyan on scene, but say they didnt go in. Pls dont shoot me, correct me if in wrong. Nope. Recce coy are a GSU sub-unit. ATPU is a regular police unit. Do you recall when each unit arrived on scene? I dont think recce were there. Pls dont shoot me, correct me if im wrong. If you ever saw guys in blue jeans and black bullet proof vests? that is the RECCE squad. they are supposed to be in blue. Infact they at one point had the upper floor in control. anybody remember hearing the 2nd and 4th floor are in control, the 3rd floor was not? That was courtesy of the recce squad What exactly did they mean by being "in control" (Kimayo kept repeating the same thing from Sato to Monday) and why couldn't they finish the job as already pointed out. Who is their commanding Officer, Kimaiyo? I might be wrong but by my count they were not more than 10 .....hardly enough! As someone has already pointed out we are still not sure what is the exact mandate of this RECCE squad, mara wako Buru Buru dealing with kawaida criminals next minute its Presidential escort now ni mambo ya terrorists. Btw since there's a Kenya Anti-Terrorism Police Unit, what role did they play....
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2012 Posts: 1,317
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Wendz wrote:
the biggest mistake we did i think is to hire this Kimaiyo.... I have no faith in this guy! I'd have vouched for the KQ guy. he seemed to know what he was talking about at the interview.
To be fair to the man he was among the first to arrive at the scene. He came with his own AK47 and coordinated initial response. He also tweeted all over warning people to avoid Westgate.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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ZZE123 wrote:murchr wrote:McReggae wrote:Much Know wrote:Magigi wrote:
Since the President listened to him with his tyranny of numbers he should listen to him more closely...
Clearly he is wearing political goggles. He has obviously been paid by somebody to make that tweet. That's his job, introducing political angles in everything. Seems he has gone back inside agwambo's pocket from where he emerged in 2012. So who WANTS these posts and have paid MN? I have a question for this Mutahi person. What if the NIS had informed the cops of an apparent attack but the cops dint follow up on the intelligence? Its not the work of the NIS to go after the idiots but the police. I hear this is what happened.. This does not excuse them. There work does not stop at relaying messages. Real intelligence includes stopping crimes. If Sonko is to be believed then Gichangi should be packing his bags. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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McReggae wrote:Impunity wrote:WHY DID THE ARMY BOMB THE BUILDING?
Why did it take so long? Were the terrorist finished by Monday morning, did the delay in the closure of the operation have anything to do with Gold from the casino, cash from banks, super market tills, shops and other businesses there! Just like when the airport was burning, cash from the banks had conveniently left? Was a senior GSU officer killed in the arguments? maswala nyeti haya, but unless we get a snowden - manning type I am sure all theories will be swept aside as rumours, wish there was a long lens somewhere snapping - might give some insights to the mystery. but I guess much of the banks cash must have been rushed to the safes.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:ZZE123 wrote:murchr wrote:McReggae wrote:Much Know wrote:Magigi wrote:
Since the President listened to him with his tyranny of numbers he should listen to him more closely...
Clearly he is wearing political goggles. He has obviously been paid by somebody to make that tweet. That's his job, introducing political angles in everything. Seems he has gone back inside agwambo's pocket from where he emerged in 2012. So who WANTS these posts and have paid MN? I have a question for this Mutahi person. What if the NIS had informed the cops of an apparent attack but the cops dint follow up on the intelligence? Its not the work of the NIS to go after the idiots but the police. I hear this is what happened.. This does not excuse them. There work does not stop at relaying messages. Real intelligence includes stopping crimes. If Sonko is to be believed then Gichangi should be packing his bags. if that was the case, then they are excused.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/31/2009 Posts: 743
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McReggae wrote:Impunity wrote:WHY DID THE ARMY BOMB THE BUILDING?
Excuse my mind is on overdrive!!!! Why did it take so long? Were the terrorist finished by Monday morning, did the delay in the closure of the operation have anything to do with Gold from the casino, cash from banks, super market tills, shops and other businesses there! Just like when the airport was burning, cash from the banks had conveniently left? Was a senior GSU officer killed in the arguments? you are indeed on overdrive....carry on 
Problems can get out of proportion, and not only in the wee small hours. Don't let the problems eclipse the Master. Let the Master eclipse the problems.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/17/2008 Posts: 1,234
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Impunity wrote:WHY DID THE ARMY BOMB THE BUILDING?
So that Impunity can post on Wazua
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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kollabo wrote:Wendz wrote:
the biggest mistake we did i think is to hire this Kimaiyo.... I have no faith in this guy! I'd have vouched for the KQ guy. he seemed to know what he was talking about at the interview.
To be fair to the man he was among the first to arrive at the scene. He came with his own AK47 and coordinated initial response. He also tweeted all over warning people to avoid Westgate. Kimaiyo was right to come in ready with a Gun.. He is former RECCE, having served with Presidential escort and commander of GSU, so he is familiar with the training. Kitambi tu ndo imeongezeka,but he was ready and willing to get a piece of the action. though protocol haikubali. thats why he was barred. For those asking about RECCE. They are not your normal GSU chafua chafua with rungus chasing university students. They are Israeli trained to handle Westgate type of situations. On any other normal day, they will be guarding the president and visiting VIP's
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