simonkabz wrote:Um Sayala wrote:poundfoolish wrote:Truth be told.. The military messed this thing up
We have seen photos of ground floor being cleared.. movie goers from the 3rd floor being rescued and at some point we were told the terrorists were cornered in a section of the building (by RECCE squad)...
then today three floors collapsed..
When did we lapse from controlling floors to only one floor.. to collapsing floors.
I personally believe the regular police from Gigiri were keeping the thugs busy.. then the flying squad rescued most people
After that the RECCE force with help from Israelis and British cornered the thugs..
This thing would have been finished by 3pm on Saturday.
We would like to know how it turned into a military spectacle for 4 days.. Why did we allow the military to take over what RECCE was doing well? why did we give them time to bobby trap the place and kill the hostages...?
5 teenagers managed to fell 6 army officers..
SHAME!!!
Now listen and listen carefully.
Different levels of threat needs corresonding levels of response.
Usually an uarmed person may be controlled by natinal youth service
There is a level that Police or AP may control.
Then we have GSU, and their special RECCE units.
BEYOND that KDF must take charge, the process might not be linear. I've seen you call them thugs....may be thats why you think the pollice cd have finished the job by 3pm on saturday. Google about hostages in India for example and expand yur knowledge
Well said bro, though u are a tad too patient with this guy, very ignorant n insensitive. For a moment I thought he was talking of a different tragedy! Those police he is yapping about would have been massacred in huge numbers inside that dark, deathly maze. The ushering of terrified shoppers from the THREATLESS ground/1st floor does not amount to any rescue, coz anybody could have done it. Nothing heroic there. Engaging the highly trained terrorists who were ready to die in a dark mall is the real shit!
Likening the ATTITUDE n COURAGE of an SF soldier to that of a regular bribe taking cop is taking a stupid joke too far.
I will stick to my story.. call your KDF SF whatever you want to..
I'm not yapping from any comfort.. im talking from first hand information..
The RECCE squad is Israeli trained and for such occassions and when they went in they cornered the militants into one specific floor.. and this was because the courage of the regular police was somewhat a surprise to the thugs..
The Gigiri police were the first to respond, thinking that it was some robbers.. as they came in to engage, the banks in the building had pressed a distress call.. the flying squad was next on the scene.. the galant plainclothes you see on the photo guiding people out..
then they realised these are not normal Bank robbers cos of the massacre that was evident..
Thats when the RECCE and RDU squad came in..
Look at the photos.. the guys in blue with bullet proof vests..
It is when this team, with the help of Israelis and Britons went in that we started hearing stories of the ground and 3rd floors being under special forces control.
And then Ops control started shifting. and instead of advancing on the militants somebody somewhere thought this is the work of Rangers/Paramilitary. Who had to be prepared and flown in from Gilgil, as Lang'ata brought the infantry. The Recce squad meanwhile went back to Ruiru.
So the entire command ops had to shift from one special force on the ground to the military.
THAT IS THE TIMELAPSE and the first misstep..
Yes..There were 5 boys in there ready to die. That makes them dangerous. But at the point of being cornered they would not have sustained a fight with the ammunition they were carrying at the time..
the change of command from RECCE/RDU allowed the militants to get to their cache and sustain a fight for 3 nights....
I'm proud of our soldiers, but their 'commanders' were not intelligent at all in planning and executing this thing.
in the meantime the KDF burnt a parking lot.. and managed to bring down 3 floors.. unless you want to tell me the 5 militants, bearing in mind one had to be watching the hostages, managed to park enough explosives to bring down 3 floors.. and that means planting explosives in very specific places, the pillars..carrying such explosives amidst keeping a whole platoon busy, must be quite a commando squad for thugs, not just one time suicide mission Al Shabaab boys.
The main reason for a special force deployment is to minimise human casualty and then any other destruction while eliminating the enemy...
Where are the hostages or should i ask.. are there any missing person?
If we only had militants in there and no hostage then for heavens sake, let them rot in there alone. I would have been proud of telling them to keep the floor to themselves.
But we still have missing persons, a burnt out parking lot with cars and a collapsed floor..and 5 dead teenagers to show for it.
So my dear friends, call me anything. But i know what im asking here. it shall be a subject of study for other special Op teams in EA