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Mpenzi
#1451 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:47:17 PM
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poundfoolish wrote:
Truth be told.. The military messed this thing up

We have seen photos of ground floor being cleared.. movie goers from the 3rd floor being rescued and at some point we were told the terrorists were cornered in a section of the building (by RECCE squad)...
then today three floors collapsed..
When did we lapse from controlling floors to only one floor.. to collapsing floors.

I personally believe the regular police from Gigiri were keeping the thugs busy.. then the flying squad rescued most people
After that the RECCE force with help from Israelis and British cornered the thugs..

This thing would have been finished by 3pm on Saturday.
We would like to know how it turned into a military spectacle for 4 days.. Why did we allow the military to take over what RECCE was doing well? why did we give them time to bobby trap the place and kill the hostages...?
5 teenagers managed to fell 6 army officers..
SHAME!!!


Yeah you can say that again from the comfort of your armchair! Expert
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Tebes
#1452 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:47:34 PM
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Bravo to the Officers who rescued many and paid the price for their duty! We shall always honor them for the hundreds of the Westgate shoppers who survive today. What remains is for the CEO/PORK to roll out the best anti-terrorism strategy for KE.
"Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
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kysse
#1453 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:48:39 PM
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Gathige wrote:

The photo of that lady laying down shielding her two kids and a security man calling her mama mama wake up will forever remain in my mind. Kudos our forces!


How that little boy apprx 2-3 yrs-which is usually a noisy,active and hyper stage, managed to stay still and quiet in that position baffles me.It's edged in my mind and I just love them all.
Testimonies of kids are moving including that of the french boy who stood up first after gunmen ordered all kids to stand and leave,before proceeding to call him a 'bad man'.
Must be the hand of God.

To the departed rip.

And to think that they rented a mobile store shop there for a year is more sickening and nausetic as most of us must have interacted and eaten with them.Pray
Guns,bullets,grenades explosives,sirens,fire,blood,death panic! God I hate battle!
God bless kenya.
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githundi
#1454 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:52:04 PM
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Location: nairobi metropolitan
kitunda wrote:
Our soldiers are some of the finest! War school or no war school. They were at a terrible disadvantage walking in on the enemy...whatever the amount of planning;some plans backfire, sometimes...I'm thoroughly proud of what they've accomplished...we can talk all we can from the comfort of our sofas, comfy chairs; but our soldiers have paid the ultimate price for us to feel "safe and secure". Just take a minute and imagine you're the one going up one staircase, totally exposed to a sniper! Give it some thought!

well said, our soldiers were very disandvantaged. It is not fair for us to become combat specialists where we are none of that.
Democracy does not belong to the dead
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simonkabz
#1455 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:54:56 PM
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poundfoolish wrote:
Truth be told.. The military messed this thing up

We have seen photos of ground floor being cleared.. movie goers from the 3rd floor being rescued and at some point we were told the terrorists were cornered in a section of the building (by RECCE squad)...
then today three floors collapsed..
When did we lapse from controlling floors to only one floor.. to collapsing floors.

I personally believe the regular police from Gigiri were keeping the thugs busy.. then the flying squad rescued most people
After that the RECCE force with help from Israelis and British cornered the thugs..

This thing would have been finished by 3pm on Saturday.
We would like to know how it turned into a military spectacle for 4 days.. Why did we allow the military to take over what RECCE was doing well? why did we give them time to bobby trap the place and kill the hostages...?
5 teenagers managed to fell 6 army officers..
SHAME!!!


Best wazuans ignore your post from the first to the last word. Ignorance should never be tolerated.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Mukiri
#1456 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:01:04 PM
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Um Sayala wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:
Truth be told.. The military messed this thing up

We have seen photos of ground floor being cleared.. movie goers from the 3rd floor being rescued and at some point we were told the terrorists were cornered in a section of the building (by RECCE squad)...
then today three floors collapsed..
When did we lapse from controlling floors to only one floor.. to collapsing floors.

I personally believe the regular police from Gigiri were keeping the thugs busy.. then the flying squad rescued most people
After that the RECCE force with help from Israelis and British cornered the thugs..

This thing would have been finished by 3pm on Saturday.
We would like to know how it turned into a military spectacle for 4 days.. Why did we allow the military to take over what RECCE was doing well? why did we give them time to bobby trap the place and kill the hostages...?
5 teenagers managed to fell 6 army officers..
SHAME!!!

Now listen and listen carefully.
Different levels of threat needs corresonding levels of response.
Usually an uarmed person may be controlled by natinal youth service
There is a level that Police or AP may control.
Then we have GSU, and their special RECCE units.
BEYOND that KDF must take charge, the process might not be linear. I've seen you call them thugs....may be thats why you think the pollice cd have finished the job by 3pm on saturday. Google about hostages in India for example and expand yur knowledge

@Poundfoolish, you are suicidal writing that. I'm surprised you were not called a fool yap yapping ignorance?

What happens in the country you are in?(You did say in your flat construction thread that you are not in Kenya?) I know movies have made it appear that regular police surround a place until SWAT comes in to do what they do.

Remember in this incidence they were killing people and swift action was called for. It was not a stand off, until at some point.

Proverbs 19:21
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Amores
#1457 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:02:15 PM
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Joined: 11/25/2011
Posts: 2,103
Location: Nrb
simonkabz wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:
Truth be told.. The military messed this thing up

We have seen photos of ground floor being cleared.. movie goers from the 3rd floor being rescued and at some point we were told the terrorists were cornered in a section of the building (by RECCE squad)...
then today three floors collapsed..
When did we lapse from controlling floors to only one floor.. to collapsing floors.

I personally believe the regular police from Gigiri were keeping the thugs busy.. then the flying squad rescued most people
After that the RECCE force with help from Israelis and British cornered the thugs..

This thing would have been finished by 3pm on Saturday.
We would like to know how it turned into a military spectacle for 4 days.. Why did we allow the military to take over what RECCE was doing well? why did we give them time to bobby trap the place and kill the hostages...?
5 teenagers managed to fell 6 army officers..
SHAME!!!


Best wazuans ignore your post from the first to the last word. Ignorance should never be tolerated.

I think you guys have forgotten that this is the person who supported @kiash with his onslaught on kenya. So do not expect @ poundfoolich to say anything constructive here.It is like expecting @Kiash to come here and say how we have demonstrated anything positive in the last 4 days

Haiya @Kiash
I am happy
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Amores
#1458 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:03:59 PM
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McReggae wrote:
My thoughts above look more and more plausible, I think Moha (some may not like him) will have the near real story on this.....his sources are very good.....from memorial and the command centre.


"I am not Kabuga "
I am happy
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simonkabz
#1459 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:14:46 PM
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Joined: 3/2/2007
Posts: 8,776
Location: Cameroon
Um Sayala wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:
Truth be told.. The military messed this thing up

We have seen photos of ground floor being cleared.. movie goers from the 3rd floor being rescued and at some point we were told the terrorists were cornered in a section of the building (by RECCE squad)...
then today three floors collapsed..
When did we lapse from controlling floors to only one floor.. to collapsing floors.

I personally believe the regular police from Gigiri were keeping the thugs busy.. then the flying squad rescued most people
After that the RECCE force with help from Israelis and British cornered the thugs..

This thing would have been finished by 3pm on Saturday.
We would like to know how it turned into a military spectacle for 4 days.. Why did we allow the military to take over what RECCE was doing well? why did we give them time to bobby trap the place and kill the hostages...?
5 teenagers managed to fell 6 army officers..
SHAME!!!


Now listen and listen carefully.
Different levels of threat needs corresonding levels of response.
Usually an uarmed person may be controlled by natinal youth service
There is a level that Police or AP may control.
Then we have GSU, and their special RECCE units.
BEYOND that KDF must take charge, the process might not be linear. I've seen you call them thugs....may be thats why you think the pollice cd have finished the job by 3pm on saturday. Google about hostages in India for example and expand yur knowledge


Well said bro, though u are a tad too patient with this guy, very ignorant n insensitive. For a moment I thought he was talking of a different tragedy! Those police he is yapping about would have been massacred in huge numbers inside that dark, deathly maze. The ushering of terrified shoppers from the THREATLESS ground/1st floor does not amount to any rescue, coz anybody could have done it. Nothing heroic there. Engaging the highly trained terrorists who were ready to die in a dark mall is the real shit!

Likening the ATTITUDE n COURAGE of an SF soldier to that of a regular bribe taking cop is taking a stupid joke too far.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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urstill1
#1460 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:21:34 PM
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