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Bring our troops home
tycho
#21 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:39:22 PM
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McReggae wrote:
tycho wrote:
Am wrote:
We Must continue hunting them down, crush their balls, extract semen and feed flies on it. IDIOTS.


There's something odd about using terror to conquer terror. That is, it only gives us more terror, and terrorists.


The people on the other side do not understand your language my friend!!!


They do. By the way, understanding their psychology turns out to be quite easy. The human mind and it's institutions has very definable limits.

And it's not about us sitting back, but taking a proactive position regarding the 'emasculation' of terror right from the Psyche.
iller
#22 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:40:12 PM
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Tokyo wrote:
When we are done with Westgate crisis , we should demand OUR TROOPS BACK FROM Somalia

Shame on you This will allow them to regroup and start building up their army
Njung'e
#23 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:17:18 PM
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KDF should and will stay (wapende wasipende),until the last of those pigs is dead.It's that simple.
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
Rankaz13
#24 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:00:44 PM
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How long did NATO stay in the former Yugoslavia to pacify it (after the debilitating 45-month war) and the breakaway republics? Are we prepared to stay that long to prop-up the Somali government? Do we have the resources to do that?
Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
tycho
#25 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:15:28 PM
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There's this verse in the book of Sirach that says that trying to win an argument by force is like a castrated man trying to rape a woman.

And I remembered accounts of rape by the terrorists. When I expressed my dismay to some of my friends, they mostly explained that such is to be expected in war. And indeed, wars go together with rape, and sexual abuse.

Anger, ultimately must be expressed sexually. But anger is castration also. I remember sometime back hearing of a man who cut his penis after seeing his wife entering into some lodging.

Anger is suicidal. All war is suicidal in essence.

There are very important conversations that are not going on in the world, and so far the tendency has been to bury our heads in the sand. What's happening in Palestine? What's happening to the millions who are at risk of the ravages of poverty, ignorance and disease? How are these questions and others contributors to the problems we are facing today?

How are humans evolving? What are our greatest challenges now?

I believe such questions and others would lead us to better and all inclusive solutions that would herald a reign of peace all over the world.
Rahatupu
#26 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:46:07 PM
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Tokyo wrote:
A time has come when Kenyans should standup and demand our troops who are in harms way in hostile terrains of Somalia back. They have performed their duties with dedication and patriotism .every Kenyan is proud of them. Reasons are;
- this is ideological war which fanatics already think religion as the reasons. We know you can never win against such propaganda .
-the economical effects in a country like kenya is massive
-our leaders invaded a failed country without a clear plan on how to end the war
- we share a common border meaning very vulnerable to the fanatics obsessed and having a zeal to inflict destruction to life and property.
- due to hardships and less opportunities our people can easily be recruited complicating already severe situation .
- harmony of Kenyans is weak. That means in case another PEV 2013,(God forbid) the consequences and alshabab terrorists within, it will be a serious security problem.
- many of our officers are highly corrupt. Meaning easier for terrorism to operate.ethiopians despite being in Somalia for long have very few if any random attacks. Reasons their people are individually highly patriotic and love for their country.
etc...
I suggest:
- pull the troops out immediately
-create a buffer zone in the border . Like 50 km and deploy the army currently in Somalia .
- close all refugees camp in kenya. Daadab etc. build refugees camp in the southern Somalia . Let it be secured by international community and others involved .
- have a physical address of all properties and people in kenya.
- land plots and buildings in kenya owned by foreigners should be scrutinized again.
-all banks operating within Kenyans border must be vigilant especially because there might be evidence that terrorists are operating and transacting.read HSBC issues in US
-Somalia should be divided.kenya can start by recognizing the peaceful
Somali land . Use Her diplomacy to campaign for dividing Somalia .
-as a long term measure, kenya should introduce an IC identity card to curb forgery.


in a nutshell Cowardly Tycho.
Mukiri
#27 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:54:04 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
A time has come when Kenyans should standup and demand our troops who are in harms way in hostile terrains of Somalia back. They have performed their duties with dedication and patriotism .every Kenyan is proud of them. Reasons are;
- this is ideological war which fanatics already think religion as the reasons. We know you can never win against such propaganda .
-the economical effects in a country like kenya is massive
-our leaders invaded a failed country without a clear plan on how to end the war
- we share a common border meaning very vulnerable to the fanatics obsessed and having a zeal to inflict destruction to life and property.
- due to hardships and less opportunities our people can easily be recruited complicating already severe situation .
- harmony of Kenyans is weak. That means in case another PEV 2013,(God forbid) the consequences and alshabab terrorists within, it will be a serious security problem.
- many of our officers are highly corrupt. Meaning easier for terrorism to operate.ethiopians despite being in Somalia for long have very few if any random attacks. Reasons their people are individually highly patriotic and love for their country.
etc...
I suggest:
- pull the troops out immediately
-create a buffer zone in the border . Like 50 km and deploy the army currently in Somalia .
- close all refugees camp in kenya. Daadab etc. build refugees camp in the southern Somalia . Let it be secured by international community and others involved .
- have a physical address of all properties and people in kenya.
- land plots and buildings in kenya owned by foreigners should be scrutinized again.
-all banks operating within Kenyans border must be vigilant especially because there might be evidence that terrorists are operating and transacting.read HSBC issues in US
-Somalia should be divided.kenya can start by recognizing the peaceful
Somali land . Use Her diplomacy to campaign for dividing Somalia .
-as a long term measure, kenya should introduce an IC identity card to curb forgery.


in a nutshell Cowardly Tycho.

d'oh! Are they the same?

Proverbs 19:21
kysse
#28 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:57:40 PM
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No ,Shame the enemy by not forsaking the mission.
The battle of securing our borders continues and I urge the forces to press on till the mission is accomplished.That's what soldiers do.

Don't encourage the KDF to take their eyes of the prize because of a hopeless people.
We are in somalia for the sake of Kenya,I doubt the terrorists will ever cherish peace but we musn't relent on our resolve.

harrydre
#29 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:16:30 PM
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we stay put tight there. in fact the CIC should send in more troops. deny them that kismayo port which is the source of their finances and they will slowly disintegrate
i.am.back!!!!
Mjasirii
#30 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:36:36 PM
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kysse wrote:
No ,Shame the enemy by not forsaking the mission.
The battle of securing our borders continues and I urge the forces to press on till the mission is accomplished.That's what soldiers do.

Don't encourage the KDF to take their eyes of the prize because of a hopeless people.
We are in somalia for the sake of Kenya,I doubt the terrorists will ever cherish peace but we musn't relent on our resolve.



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