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Mayweather vs Alvarez
MaichBlack
#21 Posted : Monday, September 16, 2013 1:57:24 PM
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callaspade wrote:
...was a great fight,wont forget that punch that missed mayweather and caught the ropes .......sounded like a grenade.

Mayweather's reaction was priceless. He comically started staring at the rope to see if it had been 'injured'!
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#22 Posted : Monday, September 16, 2013 3:00:39 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Mayweather was actually better in this fight than he has ever been in my opinion, and i have to say it loud that he is the greatest pound for pound boxer of all time.

To better appreciate just how good he is, I suggest you watch video clips of Saul Alvarez in action, that guy is serious,that Maywaether took him through a 36 minutes boxing clinic is a testament to his status as the GOAT!!


Umesahau Ali?'

seppuku
#23 Posted : Monday, September 16, 2013 4:19:47 PM
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Mr. Sulu wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Mayweather was actually better in this fight than he has ever been in my opinion, and i have to say it loud that he is the greatest pound for pound boxer of all time.

To better appreciate just how good he is, I suggest you watch video clips of Saul Alvarez in action, that guy is serious,that Maywaether took him through a 36 minutes boxing clinic is a testament to his status as the GOAT!!


Umesahau Ali?'



Ali was a great boxer. But Ali the human being was greater than Ali the boxer. His wit, his philosophy, his eloquence, his trash-talking, his confidence - bravado, really. There is hardly ever going to be any boxer who will measure up to that. Here's what George Foreman had to say about the man:

"If you put Ali in boxing, you won’t get what he really was. The life he lived outside of the ring, what he had to say, the bravery he had, made him what he was: a prophet, a hero, a revolutionary — much more than a boxer. It really brings him down to rate him as a boxer. He only did boxing to run his mouth. Whatever message he was destined to get across, he used boxing to do it. I mean, he could do the shuffle and occasionally throw a good jab, even get a few knockouts, but that doesn't put him in boxing. Forget about boxing, he’s been a gift to the world."

This Mayweather fellow does rank high up there with the best of them. But I prefer to leave the GOAT title to that one man, Muhammad Ali.
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#24 Posted : Monday, September 16, 2013 4:32:08 PM
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Mr. Sulu wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Mayweather was actually better in this fight than he has ever been in my opinion, and i have to say it loud that he is the greatest pound for pound boxer of all time.

To better appreciate just how good he is, I suggest you watch video clips of Saul Alvarez in action, that guy is serious,that Maywaether took him through a 36 minutes boxing clinic is a testament to his status as the GOAT!!


Umesahau Ali?'



No, Ali was a better entertainer, more in line with what Seppuku wrote, not necessarily a better boxer.

Actually the acknowledged best pound for pound boxer is Sugar ray Robinson. But the way it works is that as long as one is active in any sport, one is always not highly rated in the all time lists, this changes when one retires and his legacy is assessed. i belive maywether will find his way into the top 5 best of all time at the very least.
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McReggae
#25 Posted : Monday, September 16, 2013 4:38:05 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Mr. Sulu wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Mayweather was actually better in this fight than he has ever been in my opinion, and i have to say it loud that he is the greatest pound for pound boxer of all time.

To better appreciate just how good he is, I suggest you watch video clips of Saul Alvarez in action, that guy is serious,that Maywaether took him through a 36 minutes boxing clinic is a testament to his status as the GOAT!!


Umesahau Ali?'



No, Ali was a better entertainer, not necessarily a better boxer


Archives on google show there were better boxers....before my time!!!!!
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qooler
#26 Posted : Monday, September 16, 2013 4:40:19 PM
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McReggae wrote:
Mayweather combines skill and intelligence...a great fighter, even Alvarez said that it was almost impossible to land a blow on Mayweather!!!


i personally dont like mayweather defensive style, though it very effective. his shoulder forward always running away from the opponent. a hit and run kind of thing. when i watch 90's heavyweight youtube, i think todays boxing is not as entertaining as then. the likes of Holyfield, Roy Jones, Toney, Tyson, Morrison (RIP), Bowe, Moorer....
Kusadikika
#27 Posted : Monday, September 16, 2013 4:49:22 PM
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seppuku wrote:
Mr. Sulu wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Mayweather was actually better in this fight than he has ever been in my opinion, and i have to say it loud that he is the greatest pound for pound boxer of all time.

To better appreciate just how good he is, I suggest you watch video clips of Saul Alvarez in action, that guy is serious,that Maywaether took him through a 36 minutes boxing clinic is a testament to his status as the GOAT!!


Umesahau Ali?'



Ali was a great boxer. But Ali the human being was greater than Ali the boxer. His wit, his philosophy, his eloquence, his trash-talking, his confidence - bravado, really. There is hardly ever going to be any boxer who will measure up to that. Here's what George Foreman had to say about the man:

"If you put Ali in boxing, you won’t get what he really was. The life he lived outside of the ring, what he had to say, the bravery he had, made him what he was: a prophet, a hero, a revolutionary — much more than a boxer. It really brings him down to rate him as a boxer. He only did boxing to run his mouth. Whatever message he was destined to get across, he used boxing to do it. I mean, he could do the shuffle and occasionally throw a good jab, even get a few knockouts, but that doesn't put him in boxing. Forget about boxing, he’s been a gift to the world."

This Mayweather fellow does rank high up there with the best of them. But I prefer to leave the GOAT title to that one man, Muhammad Ali.


I agree Seppuku the Greatest of All Time is still the one and only Mohammed Ali.

He was not only a tactical genius but a master of psychology in the ring. Here is an excerpt from the writing about his fight with George Foreman in Zaire:

"After several rounds of this, Foreman began to tire. His face became increasingly damaged by hard, fast jabs and crosses by Ali. The effects were visible as Foreman was staggered by an Ali combination at the start of the fourth round, and again several times near the end of the fifth, after Foreman had seemed to dominate that round. Although Foreman kept throwing punches and coming forward, after the fifth round he looked increasingly worn out. Ali continued to taunt him by saying, "They told me you could punch, George!" and "They told me you could punch as hard as Joe Louis." According to Foreman, near the end of the fight, Foreman slammed Ali with a thundering body blow, and Ali whispered to him "Is that all you got, George?" to which Foreman thought "Yep...that's about it." After that, Ali began to dominate Foreman."

Mayweather will need a few lifetimes before he can be half of what Ali was.
seppuku
#28 Posted : Monday, September 16, 2013 4:52:46 PM
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qooler wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Mayweather combines skill and intelligence...a great fighter, even Alvarez said that it was almost impossible to land a blow on Mayweather!!!


i personally dont like mayweather defensive style, though it very effective. his shoulder forward always running away from the opponent. a hit and run kind of thing. when i watch 90's heavyweight youtube, i think todays boxing is not as entertaining as then. the likes of Holyfield, Roy Jones, Toney, Tyson, Morrison (RIP), Bowe, Moorer....


True that. And it was even greater before that - in the 70's and 80's. It was the golden age of heavyweight boxing. The age of Ali and of Frazier. The age of George Foreman. I can't tell you how many times I have replayed The Rumble in the Jungle and The Thrilla in Manila. It wasn't so much the fight, although that helped with things. It was the hype, the story-line, the trash-talking. That will always set apart the boxers of then from the boxers of now.
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seppuku
#29 Posted : Monday, September 16, 2013 4:59:05 PM
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seppuku wrote:
qooler wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Mayweather combines skill and intelligence...a great fighter, even Alvarez said that it was almost impossible to land a blow on Mayweather!!!


i personally dont like mayweather defensive style, though it very effective. his shoulder forward always running away from the opponent. a hit and run kind of thing. when i watch 90's heavyweight youtube, i think todays boxing is not as entertaining as then. the likes of Holyfield, Roy Jones, Toney, Tyson, Morrison (RIP), Bowe, Moorer....


True that. And it was even greater before that - in the 70's and 80's. It was the golden age of heavyweight boxing. The age of Ali and of Frazier. The age of George Foreman. I can't tell you how many times I have replayed The Rumble in the Jungle and The Thrilla in Manila. It wasn't so much the fight, although that helped with things. It was the hype, the story-line, the trash-talking. That will always set apart the boxers of then from the boxers of now.


It's also interesting that welter-weights like Floyd would seem to steal the thunder from the heavyweights. It seems to me that in the 70's, 80's and 90's, few people even knew there were other divisions besides the heavyweight.
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#30 Posted : Monday, September 16, 2013 5:12:21 PM
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seppuku wrote:
seppuku wrote:
qooler wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Mayweather combines skill and intelligence...a great fighter, even Alvarez said that it was almost impossible to land a blow on Mayweather!!!


i personally dont like mayweather defensive style, though it very effective. his shoulder forward always running away from the opponent. a hit and run kind of thing. when i watch 90's heavyweight youtube, i think todays boxing is not as entertaining as then. the likes of Holyfield, Roy Jones, Toney, Tyson, Morrison (RIP), Bowe, Moorer....


True that. And it was even greater before that - in the 70's and 80's. It was the golden age of heavyweight boxing. The age of Ali and of Frazier. The age of George Foreman. I can't tell you how many times I have replayed The Rumble in the Jungle and The Thrilla in Manila. It wasn't so much the fight, although that helped with things. It was the hype, the story-line, the trash-talking. That will always set apart the boxers of then from the boxers of now.


It's also interesting that welter-weights like Floyd would seem to steal the thunder from the heavyweights. It seems to me that in the 70's, 80's and 90's, few people even knew there were other divisions besides the heavyweight.


Its just the none boxing fans who think the heavyweight boxers are the best. I agree with the comments here that M Ali is the greatest Boxer to live and that he does even transcend to other aspects of life, e.g I think he was voted the sportman of the 20th century.

If you want to learn more about boxing and some of the greatest rivalries, try out:
- Sugar ray Leonard - Roberto Duran - Marvin Haggler - Tommy Hearn years, this are the late 70's and eighties, this was not as hyped as the Ali-Foreman-Frazier rivalries of the 70's but was equally intense and had more closely matched boxers.
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seppuku
#31 Posted : Monday, September 16, 2013 5:19:16 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
seppuku wrote:
seppuku wrote:
qooler wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Mayweather combines skill and intelligence...a great fighter, even Alvarez said that it was almost impossible to land a blow on Mayweather!!!


i personally dont like mayweather defensive style, though it very effective. his shoulder forward always running away from the opponent. a hit and run kind of thing. when i watch 90's heavyweight youtube, i think todays boxing is not as entertaining as then. the likes of Holyfield, Roy Jones, Toney, Tyson, Morrison (RIP), Bowe, Moorer....


True that. And it was even greater before that - in the 70's and 80's. It was the golden age of heavyweight boxing. The age of Ali and of Frazier. The age of George Foreman. I can't tell you how many times I have replayed The Rumble in the Jungle and The Thrilla in Manila. It wasn't so much the fight, although that helped with things. It was the hype, the story-line, the trash-talking. That will always set apart the boxers of then from the boxers of now.


It's also interesting that welter-weights like Floyd would seem to steal the thunder from the heavyweights. It seems to me that in the 70's, 80's and 90's, few people even knew there were other divisions besides the heavyweight.


Its just the none boxing fans who think the heavyweight boxers are the best. I agree with the comments here that M Ali is the greatest Boxer to leave and that he does even transcend to other aspects of life, e.g O think he is the sportman of the 20th century.

If you wan to learn more about boxing and some of the greatest rivalries, try out:
- Sugar ray Leonard - Roberto Duran - Marvin Haggler years, this are the eighties, this was not as hyped as the Ali-Foreman-Frazier rivalries of the 70's but was equally intense.


I agree. Just noting the contrast that heavyweight boxing isn't as much of a big deal now as it was then. Nothing to underrate boxers in other divisions.
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#32 Posted : Monday, September 16, 2013 5:29:13 PM
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Anyone seen the Mike Tyson documentary? That guy had a very powerful left hook... woe unto you if he unleashed an uppercut..KO.

ION, how would you guys rate our very own Kidero? That jinga hii look would make any opponent run for his dear life!
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#33 Posted : Monday, September 16, 2013 5:32:00 PM
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McReggae wrote:
Mayweather combines skill and intelligence...a great fighter, even Alvarez said that it was almost impossible to land a blow on Mayweather!!!


i personally dont like mayweather defensive style, though it very effective. his shoulder forward always running away from the opponent. a hit and run kind of thing. when i watch 90's heavyweight youtube, i think todays boxing is not as entertaining as then. the likes of Holyfield, Roy Jones, Toney, Tyson, Morrison (RIP), Bowe, Moorer....


True that. hes always running( literally) away. Against guerrero earlier this year and then yesterday, just running away. true hes intelligent, but not entertaining. I'd rather Holyfield, Riddick Bowe, Lennox lewis...generation
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#34 Posted : Monday, September 16, 2013 6:20:26 PM
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qooler wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Mayweather combines skill and intelligence...a great fighter, even Alvarez said that it was almost impossible to land a blow on Mayweather!!!


i personally dont like mayweather defensive style, though it very effective. his shoulder forward always running away from the opponent. a hit and run kind of thing. when i watch 90's heavyweight youtube, i think todays boxing is not as entertaining as then. the likes of Holyfield, Roy Jones, Toney, Tyson, Morrison (RIP), Bowe, Moorer....

Mayweathers boxing style is very sergical. He spends the first minute evading his opponent to get them tired and frustrated through his faster foot speed and superior defence.

The next minute he actully moves in and scores the points necessary to win the round by outpunching the opp

In the final minute he again becomes cagey and boxes smart as looks for an opportunity to land a knockout punch if the opponent looses their cool.

It may look look boring coz he is not a brawler but in his defence he is always fighting opponents in a higher weight division so he cannot get into a brawl with heavier opponents. Check his stats he has knocked out most opponent his size or lighter
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qooler
#35 Posted : Monday, September 16, 2013 6:41:19 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
qooler wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Mayweather combines skill and intelligence...a great fighter, even Alvarez said that it was almost impossible to land a blow on Mayweather!!!


i personally dont like mayweather defensive style, though it very effective. his shoulder forward always running away from the opponent. a hit and run kind of thing. when i watch 90's heavyweight youtube, i think todays boxing is not as entertaining as then. the likes of Holyfield, Roy Jones, Toney, Tyson, Morrison (RIP), Bowe, Moorer....

Mayweathers boxing style is very sergical. He spends the first minute evading his opponent to get them tired and frustrated through his faster foot speed and superior defence.

The next minute he actully moves in and scores the points necessary to win the round by outpunching the opp

In the final minute he again becomes cagey and boxes smart as looks for an opportunity to land a knockout punch if the opponent looses their cool.

It may look look boring coz he is not a brawler but in his defence he is always fighting opponents in a higher weight division so he cannot get into a brawl with heavier opponents. Check his stats he has knocked out most opponent his size or lighter

reminds me of the Ricky Hatton fight. Hope one day will see mayweather vs pacquao fight
Kusadikika
#36 Posted : Monday, September 16, 2013 8:27:04 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
qooler wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Mayweather combines skill and intelligence...a great fighter, even Alvarez said that it was almost impossible to land a blow on Mayweather!!!


i personally dont like mayweather defensive style, though it very effective. his shoulder forward always running away from the opponent. a hit and run kind of thing. when i watch 90's heavyweight youtube, i think todays boxing is not as entertaining as then. the likes of Holyfield, Roy Jones, Toney, Tyson, Morrison (RIP), Bowe, Moorer....

Mayweathers boxing style is very sergical. He spends the first minute evading his opponent to get them tired and frustrated through his faster foot speed and superior defence.

The next minute he actully moves in and scores the points necessary to win the round by outpunching the opp

In the final minute he again becomes cagey and boxes smart as looks for an opportunity to land a knockout punch if the opponent looses their cool.

It may look look boring coz he is not a brawler but in his defence he is always fighting opponents in a higher weight division so he cannot get into a brawl with heavier opponents. Check his stats he has knocked out most opponent his size or lighter


You are right Obi. This guy is a technique boxer like the Greece team that won the Euro 2004. The most memorable of boxers were not just boxers but fighters who brought passion and heart in the ring. When Mike Tyson stepped into the ring he was not just going for a win but he was there to beat up somebody. Many things will be said about Mike Tyson but one thing will never be taken away from him, the boy could fight. Since Mike Tyson boxing has become a sport and not a fight and for good or ill somehow the latter has more appeal.
MaichBlack
#37 Posted : Monday, September 16, 2013 9:08:21 PM
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InnovateGuy wrote:
Anyone seen the Mike Tyson documentary? That guy had a very powerful left hook... woe unto you if he unleashed an uppercut..KO.

Watched Knockout sports on Sony Max - Saturday or Sunday [Can't remember which]. They had a special on Tyson - two or three episodes back to back. It was just a joy to watch and go back down memory lane. A couple of greats retired after being knocked out by tyson! One fellow - I forget his name, had never been knocked down let alone knocked out and everyone thought he's the one who would tame tyson. And the dude was huge! What tyson did to him... I believe he never fought again. A combination of blows and the dude fell on the canvas like he had been hit with a sledge hammer! The minute he hit the canvas you could tell there is no way in hell he's going to stand up.
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#38 Posted : Monday, September 16, 2013 10:53:17 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
InnovateGuy wrote:
Anyone seen the Mike Tyson documentary? That guy had a very powerful left hook... woe unto you if he unleashed an uppercut..KO.

Watched Knockout sports on Sony Max - Saturday or Sunday [Can't remember which]. They had a special on Tyson - two or three episodes back to back. It was just a joy to watch and go back down memory lane. A couple of greats retired after being knocked out by tyson! One fellow - I forget his name, had never been knocked down let alone knocked out and everyone thought he's the one who would tame tyson. And the dude was huge! What tyson did to him... I believe he never fought again. A combination of blows and the dude fell on the canvas like he had been hit with a sledge hammer! The minute he hit the canvas you could tell there is no way in hell he's going to stand up.


Earlier in the year I was watching 'Tyson Raw and Uncut' on ESPN classics and man Mike was a joy to watch in the ring......a beast in the ring.
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#39 Posted : Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:06:26 AM
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Its a shame ESPN Classic is not aired anymore on DSTV. Boxing greats like R Marciano,J Dempsey, J Louis ans S Liston will be missed by sports fans greatly.
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#40 Posted : Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:51:35 AM
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qooler wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
qooler wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Mayweather combines skill and intelligence...a great fighter, even Alvarez said that it was almost impossible to land a blow on Mayweather!!!


i personally dont like mayweather defensive style, though it very effective. his shoulder forward always running away from the opponent. a hit and run kind of thing. when i watch 90's heavyweight youtube, i think todays boxing is not as entertaining as then. the likes of Holyfield, Roy Jones, Toney, Tyson, Morrison (RIP), Bowe, Moorer....

Mayweathers boxing style is very sergical. He spends the first minute evading his opponent to get them tired and frustrated through his faster foot speed and superior defence.

The next minute he actully moves in and scores the points necessary to win the round by outpunching the opp

In the final minute he again becomes cagey and boxes smart as looks for an opportunity to land a knockout punch if the opponent looses their cool.

It may look look boring coz he is not a brawler but in his defence he is always fighting opponents in a higher weight division so he cannot get into a brawl with heavier opponents. Check his stats he has knocked out most opponent his size or lighter

reminds me of the Ricky Hatton fight. Hope one day will see mayweather vs pacquao fight


I look forward to this too
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