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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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60,000 title deeds were issued at the coast today. Are they likely to increase cash flow into the are in the coming weeks. Is this a significant "big bang" effect on the economic fortunes of the are? Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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mukiha wrote:60,000 title deeds were issued at the coast today. Are they likely to increase cash flow into the are in the coming weeks. Is this a significant "big bang" effect on the economic fortunes of the are? Came across a tweet that the issues are circa 750K/title so those are a couple of trillions that can be unlocked when leveraged via banks.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/8/2007 Posts: 808
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These are titles to land on which people already live and not new pieces of land. Not much leverage may came out of it considering these are small pieces and people call them home anyway.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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Kausha wrote:These are titles to land on which people already live and not new pieces of land. Not much leverage may came out of it considering these are small pieces and people call them home anyway. If so, then what's all the hullabaloo about? Why bother asking for a document that you don't need? I think a good number will now be approached by banks [member must be making big plans] and offered loans to make permanent developments. Thus cash inflow to the region.... Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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mukiha wrote:Kausha wrote:These are titles to land on which people already live and not new pieces of land. Not much leverage may came out of it considering these are small pieces and people call them home anyway. If so, then what's all the hullabaloo about? Why bother asking for a document that you don't need? I think a good number will now be approached by banks [member must be making big plans] and offered loans to make permanent developments. Thus cash inflow to the region.... In addition, the confidence boost that nobody will nyanyasa you off the property when you get ambitious on your pieces of land. One thing leads to another...that is just human nature. And ofcourse mega bonga-points for the incumbents ;-)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,708
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mukiha wrote:Kausha wrote:These are titles to land on which people already live and not new pieces of land. Not much leverage may came out of it considering these are small pieces and people call them home anyway. If so, then what's all the hullabaloo about? Why bother asking for a document that you don't need? I think a good number will now be approached by banks [member must be making big plans] and offered loans to make permanent developments. Thus cash inflow to the region.... I think this would make an excellent PhD or Masters study. Where are the scholars and universities? I wish I had a few million shillings lying idle. This is one real life, real time study that would be very interesting to fund and study. Get one or two economics graduates and have them on a decent pay to track all the 60,000 recipients of titles over a period of 5 years, then you can do 10 and 15 year followups. You can become a guru on this subject and do lectures all over the world.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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Kusadikika wrote:mukiha wrote:Kausha wrote:These are titles to land on which people already live and not new pieces of land. Not much leverage may came out of it considering these are small pieces and people call them home anyway. If so, then what's all the hullabaloo about? Why bother asking for a document that you don't need? I think a good number will now be approached by banks [member must be making big plans] and offered loans to make permanent developments. Thus cash inflow to the region.... I think this would make an excellent PhD or Masters study. Where are the scholars and universities? I wish I had a few million shillings lying idle. This is one real life, real time study that would be very interesting to fund and study. Get one or two economics graduates and have them on a decent pay to track all the 60,000 recipients of titles over a period of 5 years, then you can do 10 and 15 year followups. You can become a guru on this subject and do lectures all over the world. For research, you don't to follow all the receipients. You only need a random sample, say, 20 people from each county. Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:mukiha wrote:60,000 title deeds were issued at the coast today. Are they likely to increase cash flow into the are in the coming weeks. Is this a significant "big bang" effect on the economic fortunes of the are? Came across a tweet that the issues are circa 750K/title so those are a couple of trillions that can be unlocked when leveraged via banks. 21 Billion... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,708
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mukiha wrote:Kusadikika wrote:mukiha wrote:Kausha wrote:These are titles to land on which people already live and not new pieces of land. Not much leverage may came out of it considering these are small pieces and people call them home anyway. If so, then what's all the hullabaloo about? Why bother asking for a document that you don't need? I think a good number will now be approached by banks [member must be making big plans] and offered loans to make permanent developments. Thus cash inflow to the region.... I think this would make an excellent PhD or Masters study. Where are the scholars and universities? I wish I had a few million shillings lying idle. This is one real life, real time study that would be very interesting to fund and study. Get one or two economics graduates and have them on a decent pay to track all the 60,000 recipients of titles over a period of 5 years, then you can do 10 and 15 year followups. You can become a guru on this subject and do lectures all over the world. For research, you don't to follow all the receipients. You only need a random sample, say, 20 people from each county. I know Mukiha. I just figured that 60,000 is such a small number that you may as well follow all of them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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Kusadikika wrote:mukiha wrote:Kusadikika wrote:mukiha wrote:Kausha wrote:These are titles to land on which people already live and not new pieces of land. Not much leverage may came out of it considering these are small pieces and people call them home anyway. If so, then what's all the hullabaloo about? Why bother asking for a document that you don't need? I think a good number will now be approached by banks [member must be making big plans] and offered loans to make permanent developments. Thus cash inflow to the region.... I think this would make an excellent PhD or Masters study. Where are the scholars and universities? I wish I had a few million shillings lying idle. This is one real life, real time study that would be very interesting to fund and study. Get one or two economics graduates and have them on a decent pay to track all the 60,000 recipients of titles over a period of 5 years, then you can do 10 and 15 year followups. You can become a guru on this subject and do lectures all over the world. For research, you don't to follow all the receipients. You only need a random sample, say, 20 people from each county. I know Mukiha. I just figured that 60,000 is such a small number that you may as well follow all of them. 60,000 for research will be waste of effort, time and money. A random sample of less than 100 will still give you the same result! And the margin of error will be negligible. Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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Title deeds. Old poverty ridden men. May the willing seller, willing buyer frenzy begin. So. What is the going prize for a piece of land at the coast?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/25/2010 Posts: 939 Location: Nai
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aemathenge wrote:Title deeds.
Old poverty ridden men.
May the willing seller, willing buyer frenzy begin.
So. What is the going prize for a piece of land at the coast? some were issued back in 2004/05 waliuza zote but at least they enjoyed the money 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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jamplu wrote:aemathenge wrote:Title deeds.
Old poverty ridden men.
May the willing seller, willing buyer frenzy begin.
So. What is the going prize for a piece of land at the coast? some were issued back in 2004/05 waliuza zote but at least they enjoyed the money Time to head to the coast... Anything near the Kwale mines? preferably further, where its safer to set up a shopping centre
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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poundfoolish wrote:Time to head to the coast...
Copy that. MaheGoat Bar and Restaurant Boarding and Lodging available MaheGoat Mpesa Services MaheGoat Motorcycle repairs and sales Can you smell the money? I can.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/21/2013 Posts: 2,841 Location: Here
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aemathenge wrote:poundfoolish wrote:Time to head to the coast...
Copy that. MaheGoat Bar and Restaurant Boarding and Lodging available MaheGoat Mpesa Services MaheGoat Motorcycle repairs and sales Can you smell the money? I can. Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,708
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I wish there was a way to lock down those titles to prevent sale for a few years because I can foresee trouble because the displacement of the locals will now be total and legal. Previously the locals could claim they were squatters because they had nowhere to go and you could sympathise with them but when they get land and then sell it, on what grounds can they cry, "haki yetu!!"
Na hizi mashamba zitanunuliwa bei ya kutupa. A man who has never seen 5,000 shillings in his life thinks that a million is a lot of money and will never get finished, remember the Samburu millionares of Dol Dol?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/21/2012 Posts: 1,739
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mukiha wrote:Kausha wrote:These are titles to land on which people already live and not new pieces of land. Not much leverage may came out of it considering these are small pieces and people call them home anyway. If so, then what's all the hullabaloo about? Why bother asking for a document that you don't need? I think a good number will now be approached by banks [member must be making big plans] and offered loans to make permanent developments. Thus cash inflow to the region.... Very True Mukiha. Not to mention that as a land owner without title, you never really have the guts to Invest heavily on the land. People will be able to Utilize the lands without fear. Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God..
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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Kausha wrote:These are titles to land on which people already live and not new pieces of land. Not much leverage may came out of it considering these are small pieces and people call them home anyway. Previously, they had no Title Deeds. Now with the documents, money will change hands and some will become homeless "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/9/2006 Posts: 1,502
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Any leads on those willing to sell? work to prosper
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/25/2010 Posts: 939 Location: Nai
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http://mobile.nation.co..../-/1574kar/-/index.html
A Week later...then in 5 years they will claim wapwani wamenyanyaswa.
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