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kollabo
#181 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:04:33 PM
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Ukweli usemwe Khan yuko juu. "Violence that is not necessary" witness claims it was coded to mean there is violence that is necessary.
limanika
#182 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:17:12 PM
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Kratos wrote:
limanika wrote:
kollabo wrote:
limanika wrote:
From where I sit, this could go either way.
While the defence seeks to prove Ruto & Sang were not directly responsible, the prosecution seeks to prove they were indirectly responsible! The case is Bensounda’s to lose if you ask me!!


I disagree with you on that one. If you have been listening to Khan he has set out to discredit ALL the prosecutions witnesses including the investigation itself. Lets wait and see.

This case is tricky to defence since they do not know what ‘’hard’’evidence Bensouda will present. If they provide video of those hot ODM 07 rallies and Sang’s call-in Broadcasts, plus a few testimonies by witnesses, the theory of indirect responsibility (not direct) may not be far-fetched. I however wish our boys come back unscathed, and Bensounda asked to nail down those directly responsible instead. But we must wake up to the reality that it could go either way, due to the very low threshold of evidence required


I thought the prosecution was required to give the defense the evidence?

It is not a question whether defence have the prosecutors evidence or not. If evidence is in form of genuine video clip with incriminating verbal content, there is no way you can explain this away even with the best legal minds..
Kratos
#183 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:22:25 PM
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limanika wrote:
Kratos wrote:
limanika wrote:
kollabo wrote:
limanika wrote:
From where I sit, this could go either way.
While the defence seeks to prove Ruto & Sang were not directly responsible, the prosecution seeks to prove they were indirectly responsible! The case is Bensounda’s to lose if you ask me!!


I disagree with you on that one. If you have been listening to Khan he has set out to discredit ALL the prosecutions witnesses including the investigation itself. Lets wait and see.

This case is tricky to defence since they do not know what ‘’hard’’evidence Bensouda will present. If they provide video of those hot ODM 07 rallies and Sang’s call-in Broadcasts, plus a few testimonies by witnesses, the theory of indirect responsibility (not direct) may not be far-fetched. I however wish our boys come back unscathed, and Bensounda asked to nail down those directly responsible instead. But we must wake up to the reality that it could go either way, due to the very low threshold of evidence required


I thought the prosecution was required to give the defense the evidence?

It is not a question whether defence have the prosecutors evidence or not. If evidence is in form of genuine video clip with incriminating verbal content, there is no way you can explain this away even with the best legal minds..

Boss, dont you understand your own statement?

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
madollar
#184 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:24:18 PM
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raila makes his debut on day 1 as khan plays video showing him calling for mass action while ruto is seen whispering "peaceful"....
kollabo
#185 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:24:43 PM
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limanika wrote:
Kratos wrote:
limanika wrote:
kollabo wrote:
limanika wrote:
From where I sit, this could go either way.
While the defence seeks to prove Ruto & Sang were not directly responsible, the prosecution seeks to prove they were indirectly responsible! The case is Bensounda’s to lose if you ask me!!


I disagree with you on that one. If you have been listening to Khan he has set out to discredit ALL the prosecutions witnesses including the investigation itself. Lets wait and see.

This case is tricky to defence since they do not know what ‘’hard’’evidence Bensouda will present. If they provide video of those hot ODM 07 rallies and Sang’s call-in Broadcasts, plus a few testimonies by witnesses, the theory of indirect responsibility (not direct) may not be far-fetched. I however wish our boys come back unscathed, and Bensounda asked to nail down those directly responsible instead. But we must wake up to the reality that it could go either way, due to the very low threshold of evidence required


I thought the prosecution was required to give the defense the evidence?

It is not a question whether defence have the prosecutors evidence or not. If evidence is in form of genuine video clip with incriminating verbal content, there is no way you can explain this away even with the best legal minds..


Prosecution has video evidence of supposedly "coded messages". They must demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that this was interpreted differently.
Impunity
#186 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:38:03 PM
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masukuma
#187 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:45:20 PM
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ati Jeff Koinange should be admitted as a friend of the court! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
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King G
#188 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:45:22 PM
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Why didnt they go to shina to get ICC laywers!!!
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jaggernaut
#189 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:46:19 PM
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Karim Kahn has just played a video of RAO calling for countrywide mass action. They may have to call him to explain what he actually meant.
kollabo
#190 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:53:01 PM
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madollar wrote:
raila makes his debut on day 1 as khan plays video showing him calling for mass action while ruto is seen whispering "peaceful"....


If Ruto had not whispered that word then most likely one Baba would be the one sitting in that dock.
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