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Lolest! wrote:maka wrote:Now people are becoming personal hapa watu watakosana ya bure... na wachapane makofi. Fact is, even if Kidero had slapped a fellow man, he'd still be wrong. That doesn't mean Rachel is right. Same case for Mbuvi. Carol is a bad woman who made me hate the station. But that matusi on air was evil whether they had discussed the daughter or not! indeed. ps: and carol is not a bad woman. she is a great one.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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In all fairness we should remember that Dr. Kidero is a human, and one who's experienced in boardroom politics, and Hon. Shebesh has grown balls, both kinds of monstrosities in matters of state.
Of course Dr. Kidero couldn't say 'Yes. I slapped her, and I'm sorry I did it, in the instant he was asked. Though his amnesia, which will turn out to be selective, is a tacit admission of guilt, and even an apology.
Some here preferred Kidero to Waititu because the former wasn't a stone thrower.
Who's the next saint for governor? P.K? Lol.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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mkenyan wrote:masukuma wrote:let me put it out there - I think kidero is the right person for the job HOWEVER this action has created a stain that will never ever go away! there is no way out for him unless he goes to shebesh apologizing sack cloth and ashes. I am saddened that some men and women here actually think that there are justifications for physical violence as a response to daring or verbal provocation. MAJAMAA VITA TULIWACHIA JOGOO! We have laws... those things separate us from the animals. Anyway... I have made my case and with that I AM OUT! As Sankara once said... Quote:
Women’s fate is bound up with that of an exploited male. However, this solidarity must not blind us in looking at the specific situation faced by womenfolk in our society. It is true that the woman worker and simple man are exploited economically, but the worker wife is also condemned further to silence by her worker husband. This is the same method used by men to dominate other men! The idea was crafted that certain men, by virtue of their family origin and birth, or by ‘divine rights’, were superior to others.
you keep on pounding on the point about the rule of law and people obeying the law while you come and disclose private iebc information on an internet forum which by law or non disclosure agreement with your employer you are not meant to disclose. i assume that you either work for iebc or some third party affiliated with iebc (and with access to confidential information) and you get the information from that privileged access. specks. logs. eyes. i did not disclose... people guessed correctly! enda usome post zangu..... again i have not signed any confidentiality agreement but having said that - your argument is faulty and the iebc issue is a red herring. your argument is fallacious! it reeks of the Tu quoque fallacy which is Quote:a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. This dismisses someone's point of view based on criticism of the person's inconsistency, and not the position presented, whereas a person's inconsistency should not discredit their position All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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mkeiyd wrote:A LADY/WOMAN doesn't behave like Shebesh.
This BS of poking fingers were you shouldn't and expecting to be treated like a lady doesn't hold.
Behave like a LADY and men will be GENTLE to you.
Behave like you own the city and don't ever remind us your gender.
Shebesh has no RESPECT for her WOMANHOOD.
Behave like a "MAN" and expect to be treated like one.
The gender doesnt change this. It would still be wrong even if it was a male irritant in the place of Rachel. Do we then justify murder on grounds of anger? Kidero can use what you're saying as mitigation in court though
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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mkenyan wrote:Lolest! wrote:maka wrote:Now people are becoming personal hapa watu watakosana ya bure... na wachapane makofi. Fact is, even if Kidero had slapped a fellow man, he'd still be wrong. That doesn't mean Rachel is right. Same case for Mbuvi. Carol is a bad woman who made me hate the station. But that matusi on air was evil whether they had discussed the daughter or not! indeed. ps: and carol is not a bad woman. she is a great one. If Carol is a good woman, then there are no bad ones
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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kysse wrote:What? is this true? Well if a man grabbed me(God forbid), I would sure kick his butt hard un-apologetically and take myself to the cops. There are boundaries to be respected. Argh these two people's public dramas are an earsore,typical kenyan behaviours, kuvuana nguo hadharani.   Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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Lolest! wrote:mkenyan wrote:Lolest! wrote:maka wrote:Now people are becoming personal hapa watu watakosana ya bure... na wachapane makofi. Fact is, even if Kidero had slapped a fellow man, he'd still be wrong. That doesn't mean Rachel is right. Same case for Mbuvi. Carol is a bad woman who made me hate the station. But that matusi on air was evil whether they had discussed the daughter or not! indeed. ps: and carol is not a bad woman. she is a great one. If Carol is a good woman, then there are no bad ones  Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 1,884
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Lolest! wrote:mkenyan wrote:Lolest! wrote:maka wrote:Now people are becoming personal hapa watu watakosana ya bure... na wachapane makofi. Fact is, even if Kidero had slapped a fellow man, he'd still be wrong. That doesn't mean Rachel is right. Same case for Mbuvi. Carol is a bad woman who made me hate the station. But that matusi on air was evil whether they had discussed the daughter or not! indeed. ps: and carol is not a bad woman. she is a great one. If Carol is a good woman, then there are no bad ones like all of us she has her negatives but a whole lot more positives. maybe am subjective here coz i like what she has achieved though her arrogance can at times be grating.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/2/2006 Posts: 1,206 Location: Nairobi
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If Kidero had slapped e.g Ngilu....everyone would say that was bad.With Shebesh...most think it was OK and she had it coming anyway.Moral of the story?Carry yourself like a graceful lady. Mambo ya impeachment haiko.We all know Shebesh was slapped but now Kidero says he slapped her after she hit/grabbed his balls.All he needs is a witness na hio atapata.If you were the judge....then? Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
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Impunity wrote:kysse wrote:What? is this true? Well if a man grabbed me(God forbid), I would sure kick his butt hard un-apologetically and take myself to the cops. There are boundaries to be respected. Argh these two people's public dramas are an earsore,typical kenyan behaviours, kuvuana nguo hadharani. Then Kidero is a guy of her dads stature literally, this was a beautiful well behaved chick if you saw her in lavington back in the day, don't remember if she rolled in kanjo rolls royce. I don't know where this chick went wrong, Nyayo error ilaharibu watu wengi. At your office door, a girl like your "daughter" comes quarreling in a very 'big situation' trying to bring "Nairobi Glory" back, a room full of testosterone pounding men juu ya pesa, hile mabillioni umetoa china, shes yelling and forcing her body against you mpaka ana grab makei....aish! You will instantly see mademooni and twap!, you wont even remember what happened, utakula memory blackout. You can't tell whether it is instinct, culture, hasira. That is why RESPECT is important, especially for a leader, use respect not FORCE. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 1,884
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masukuma wrote:mkenyan wrote:masukuma wrote:let me put it out there - I think kidero is the right person for the job HOWEVER this action has created a stain that will never ever go away! there is no way out for him unless he goes to shebesh apologizing sack cloth and ashes. I am saddened that some men and women here actually think that there are justifications for physical violence as a response to daring or verbal provocation. MAJAMAA VITA TULIWACHIA JOGOO! We have laws... those things separate us from the animals. Anyway... I have made my case and with that I AM OUT! As Sankara once said... Quote:
Women’s fate is bound up with that of an exploited male. However, this solidarity must not blind us in looking at the specific situation faced by womenfolk in our society. It is true that the woman worker and simple man are exploited economically, but the worker wife is also condemned further to silence by her worker husband. This is the same method used by men to dominate other men! The idea was crafted that certain men, by virtue of their family origin and birth, or by ‘divine rights’, were superior to others.
you keep on pounding on the point about the rule of law and people obeying the law while you come and disclose private iebc information on an internet forum which by law or non disclosure agreement with your employer you are not meant to disclose. i assume that you either work for iebc or some third party affiliated with iebc (and with access to confidential information) and you get the information from that privileged access. specks. logs. eyes. i did not disclose... people guessed correctly! enda usome post zangu..... again i have not signed any confidentiality agreement but having said that - your argument is faulty and the iebc issue is a red herring. your argument is fallacious! it reeks of the Tu quoque fallacy which is Quote:a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. This dismisses someone's point of view based on criticism of the person's inconsistency, and not the position presented, whereas a person's inconsistency should not discredit their position disclosing does not only mean coming out and expressly stating it from the beginning. implying it and when some one guesses you confirm (either impliedly or expressly) is the same. in fact one should not even discuss confidential information on online fora. having that in mind you did disclose the information. there are several statutes on non-disclosure by those working for public bodies and also on privacy you should however think about (now that you didnt sign any contract) before hinting at and and discussing information you come across as a result of privileged access. and am not attacking your argument that the law has to be obeyed so your resort to fallacies are misplaced. i indeed agree that the law has to be obeyed and if you don't you should face the consequences. i just find it funny that you keep on saying the same all over wazua when you may be lacking the moral authority to. hence speck. eye. log.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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mkenyan wrote:masukuma wrote:mkenyan wrote:masukuma wrote:let me put it out there - I think kidero is the right person for the job HOWEVER this action has created a stain that will never ever go away! there is no way out for him unless he goes to shebesh apologizing sack cloth and ashes. I am saddened that some men and women here actually think that there are justifications for physical violence as a response to daring or verbal provocation. MAJAMAA VITA TULIWACHIA JOGOO! We have laws... those things separate us from the animals. Anyway... I have made my case and with that I AM OUT! As Sankara once said... Quote:
Women’s fate is bound up with that of an exploited male. However, this solidarity must not blind us in looking at the specific situation faced by womenfolk in our society. It is true that the woman worker and simple man are exploited economically, but the worker wife is also condemned further to silence by her worker husband. This is the same method used by men to dominate other men! The idea was crafted that certain men, by virtue of their family origin and birth, or by ‘divine rights’, were superior to others.
you keep on pounding on the point about the rule of law and people obeying the law while you come and disclose private iebc information on an internet forum which by law or non disclosure agreement with your employer you are not meant to disclose. i assume that you either work for iebc or some third party affiliated with iebc (and with access to confidential information) and you get the information from that privileged access. specks. logs. eyes. i did not disclose... people guessed correctly! enda usome post zangu..... again i have not signed any confidentiality agreement but having said that - your argument is faulty and the iebc issue is a red herring. your argument is fallacious! it reeks of the Tu quoque fallacy which is Quote:a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. This dismisses someone's point of view based on criticism of the person's inconsistency, and not the position presented, whereas a person's inconsistency should not discredit their position disclosing does not only mean coming out and expressly stating it from the beginning. implying it and when some one guesses you confirm (either impliedly or expressly) is the same. in fact one should not even discuss confidential information on online fora. having that in mind you did disclose the information. there are several statutes on non-disclosure by those working for public bodies and also on privacy you should however think about (now that you didnt sign any contract) before hinting at and and discussing information you come across as a result of privileged access. and am not attacking your argument that the law has to be obeyed so your resort to fallacies are misplaced. i indeed agree that the law has to be obeyed and if you don't you should face the consequences. i just find it funny that you keep on saying the same all over wazua when you may be lacking the moral authority to. hence speck. eye. log. still going there.... your claims are a red herring! the matter in question is... DID KIDERO BREAK THE LAW BY ASSAULTING THE SAID SHEBESH.... everthing else is a redherring! Whether I overlapped this morning or spit in town has no relevance on the subject matter. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Nyeri men are asking Kidero..."how did you pull it off?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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he did it since he cared! there was a mosquito in the neighborhood of shebesh's cheek! it looked malaria laden and due to his concerns for the woman representative and nairobian's in general he took a step to protect shebesh and nairobians from malaria. we should clap for him... he has exceeded expectations. shebesh should be thankful... the slap sensation was better than what the mosquito got. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:he did it since he cared! there was a mosquito in the neighborhood of shebesh's cheek! it looked malaria laden and due to his concerns for the woman representative and nairobian's in general he took a step to protect shebesh and nairobians in general from malaria. Why was it hard for Shebesh to call Kidero for a drink and tell her what her issues were... possunt quia posse videntur
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