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VAT Bill 2013 - Solutions ONLY
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#21 Posted : Friday, September 06, 2013 7:11:58 AM
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murchr wrote:
itz wrote:
am surprised no one has mentioned reducing size of Govt.The new bloated govt is part of the reason for your VAT woes.it is also a fallacy to assume farmers and gikomba people don't pay some form of taxes.For farmers please sit down and calculate what goes into the cost of production up to sales n marketing and there in you might find your answer.For Gikomba people that business is on its death bed because of heavy taxation of mtumba at port of entry.
Kenya is over taxed and the solution among many others that have been mentioned here is to reduce size of govt and lower tax rate plus widen the base.


Who will risk being called an enemy to devilution? Anyway, i understand ile chai ya saa nne na kumi has been struck off from the exchequer. I wonder how much they were spending on that.

I would wish to see a drastic drop of seminars being held in hotels here and there, these people should utilize technology and the conference rooms in offices.

Develop a mechanism to collect fines from traffic offenders and this includes pedestrian crossing in undesignated areas.

Give incentives/loans to existing companies to hire the otherwise idle Kenyans who are potential taxpayers


The minimum wage regulations make it hard for business entities to absorb more staff.
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#22 Posted : Friday, September 06, 2013 7:21:18 AM
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MuchNo wrote:
This is not my idea, but something I heard while discussing the matter earlier today. I thought it had merit, so when I saw this thread I thought I'd mention it.

Why not impose a one-time mandatory tax on properties. Yani, everyone who is a registered owner of a property has a 0.5% one-time tax imposed on their property. The value used should be the same as that used to determine rates. Hence a property valued at KES 10 million will result in a KES 50,000.00 tax on the property owner.

This could net hundreds of billions if not over a trillion Kenya Shillings for The Treasury, and would obviate the need to increase VAT -- in fact, it would result in a welcome reverse of that order. It would provide the government with funding for a few years (assuming not all budget expenditure must be met from this source), and would solve so many other issues.

Like I said, not my idea but I thought it was a good one. Your thoughts?

We already have this. Land Rates collected by councils and now county govts.payable annually. On purchase, govt takes 4pc of value as stamp duty na haitosheki
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#23 Posted : Friday, September 06, 2013 7:27:04 AM
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stamp duty on land purchase is 2pc of land value. If valued at 2m u pay 40k before transfer is effected
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#24 Posted : Friday, September 06, 2013 7:48:06 AM
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@mkeiyd, hata nyinyi mlipe ushuru. Which taxes do you pay currently? VAT and import taxes on goods? What about income tax which the rest of us pay? BTW, the average monthly earning of a tertiary-level educated employee is way below the amounts earned in informal sector
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#25 Posted : Friday, September 06, 2013 7:58:04 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
stamp duty on land purchase is 2pc of land value. If valued at 2m u pay 40k before transfer is effected


Transfers are divided into two categories
=> Urban Land – land in the municipalities  -stamp duty =4%
=> Agricultural land [Outside the Municipality].   – stamp duty =2%
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#26 Posted : Friday, September 06, 2013 8:04:53 AM
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GGK wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
stamp duty on land purchase is 2pc of land value. If valued at 2m u pay 40k before transfer is effected


Transfers are divided into two categories
=> Urban Land – land in the municipalities  -stamp duty =4%
=> Agricultural land [Outside the Municipality].   – stamp duty =2%

correct!
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#27 Posted : Friday, September 06, 2013 8:29:26 AM
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LoLEST.....with VAT on everything,we are going to evade income tax even more....you need to join US in jua kali..and get Your freedom.Freedom from KRA..
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#28 Posted : Friday, September 06, 2013 10:57:25 AM
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Saw this which am quoting verbertim as the author requested......
The VAT Act, 2013: As a TAX Law practitioner, I must tell the complaining middle class and pretenders to middle class that the VAT Act, 2013 is the most fair piece of legislation in tax and fiscal policy in the whole of East Africa.

Exempting and zero rating products which are processed and used by the middle class/wage earners means that the very poor subsidize their lifestyle because the input VAT which is claimed back and paid to manufacturers and traders of these commodities is paid by all Kenyans irrespective of whether they bought or consumed those products.

If you have ZERO knowledge on how the INPUT-OUTPUT system works in VAT and other Consumption and Trade Taxes is is goo to read the law, the rationale for its enactment or to just shut up.

70% of the citizens in Kenya live in rural areas and do not buy processed goods and food; why should they bear the tax burden of subsidizing the lifestyle of the middle class and wage earners, why??? 400 products were exempted before the new law, now only 40 are exempted. Have you even bothered to know what is exempted before complaining?

The ignorance being displayed by idiotic media persons who are supposed to be "learned" or is it "educated"? is really shocking. VAT exemption and zero-rating allows traders who manufacture and/or sell goods subject to this tax to claim back their inputs.......and this has given rise to many fraudsters in the economy who "manufacture" and "sell" such goods and claim back the inputs from taxpayers.......think people, read, even Wikipedia and understand VAT before acting like people who never saw a classroom.

In developed and emerging economies there is no exemption or zero-rating....read the VAT law in BRICS country....subsidizing the life of the middle class/wage earners is the very ant-thesis of economic growth. Enough said, quote me.
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#29 Posted : Friday, September 06, 2013 11:14:11 AM
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@GGK, I like that guy's argument though for exempt items one does not claim input tax. You claim for zero rated items.
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#30 Posted : Friday, September 06, 2013 12:22:42 PM
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Chaka wrote:
@MuchNo,
What if the property owner is retired and staying in his/her property with pension as the only source of income?


They pay this amount just like they pay rates. Even retirees are subject to land rates... er, um... aren't they?
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