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Which way TZ?
limanika
#1 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:37:04 PM
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Tanzania is going through a rough patch. Picture this:
Malawi: They have disagreed with Malawi on where the boundary between them lies. Tanzania insists the boundary lies along the centre line of the Lake Malawi while Malawi insists the boundary lies along TZ mainland boundary with the lake. That TZ should not claim even an inch of the water, and apparently the maps support this claim. The conflict is serious; TZ has reiterated their military is ready for any eventuality
Rwanda – How did this conflict with Rwanda start? Again TZ has reiterated their military is ready for any eventuality, have expunged illegal immigrants from Rwanda
Kenya – This is more of cold war. TZ has reiterated they want to be the logistics hub for air and sea transport for entire region including S. Sudan. This without due consideration that Kenya exists and has been serving this role all this time. If this is not cold war, what is?
EAC – TZ not participating in infrastructure projects being undertaken by KUR. TZ opposed to federation, single EAC tourist visa and monetary union?
US – last 3 US presidents have visited TZ in and out at will. Currently the blue eyed boy of EAC, not going down well with other EAC states
SADC – TZ sees itself as more of SADC rather than EAC. TZ sees itself as a logistics hub for Malawi, Zambia and Zimbabwe. However, it is easier for these countries to connect to the sea through Mozambique than TZ. DRC has a coast of its own, and apparently do not share any dry border with TZ.
Now, which way TZ?
kamundu
#2 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2013 7:47:12 PM
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Reminds me of the dog with the bone that got to the river then.......
Tz is seriously Xenophobic. Yaani, doing business with them is just impossible especially if you are Kenyan.
I think we should take advantage of our geographical location, it favours us more than it favours TZ
Peace in our Homeland.
the deal
#3 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:42:30 PM
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Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Tz's advance is already making folks nervous...watch for this leap of the century...Tz is SADC's proxy in DRC....aah Malawians are just making noise...nothing to worry there...on Rwanda...SADC...the West...they all want Kagame out...Tz like any power house...is just flexing its muscle and Kenya is worried real bad...
murchr
#4 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:51:41 PM
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the deal wrote:
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Tz's advance is already making folks nervous...watch for this leap of the century...Tz is SADC's proxy in DRC....aah Malawians are just making noise...nothing to worry there...on Rwanda...SADC...the West...they all want Kagame out...Tz like any power house...is just flexing its muscle and Kenya is worried real bad...


What advance?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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the deal
#5 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2013 9:11:05 PM
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murchr wrote:
the deal wrote:
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Tz's advance is already making folks nervous...watch for this leap of the century...Tz is SADC's proxy in DRC....aah Malawians are just making noise...nothing to worry there...on Rwanda...SADC...the West...they all want Kagame out...Tz like any power house...is just flexing its muscle and Kenya is worried real bad...


What advance?

The Chinese...the US & its former Presidents have all landed in Tz in 2013...all of them have come with goodies...the port from the chinese is very viable...all we need is peace in DRC...the richest country in Africa...or why do you think Tz is shafting Rwanda like that? Rwanda is supporting M23...once peace is attained in DRC...serious mining will take place...all shipped through the new port in Tz...even South Sudan can use it...SS are becoming distant from .Ke...theyre even talking Djibouti...thats a blow...Tz has the psychologic edge...or why do u think UK had to go to China? Its a blow in the sense that all the superpowers are coming to Tz instead of the current regional powerhouse...itself is an indicator of the leap Tz has taken....
nakujua
#6 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2013 9:37:53 PM
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the deal wrote:
murchr wrote:
the deal wrote:
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Tz's advance is already making folks nervous...watch for this leap of the century...Tz is SADC's proxy in DRC....aah Malawians are just making noise...nothing to worry there...on Rwanda...SADC...the West...they all want Kagame out...Tz like any power house...is just flexing its muscle and Kenya is worried real bad...


What advance?

The Chinese...the US & its former Presidents have all landed in Tz in 2013...all of them have come with goodies...the port from the chinese is very viable...all we need is peace in DRC...the richest country in Africa...or why do you think Tz is shafting Rwanda like that? Rwanda is supporting M23...once peace is attained in DRC...serious mining will take place...all shipped through the new port in Tz...even South Sudan can use it...SS are becoming distant from .Ke...theyre even talking Djibouti...thats a blow...Tz has the psychologic edge...or why do u think UK had to go to China? Its a blow in the sense that all the superpowers are coming to Tz instead of the current regional powerhouse...itself is an indicator of the leap Tz has taken....

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly , you are very funny - you have really tickled me
the deal
#7 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2013 9:54:16 PM
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Yeah I'm fun....but eish the number of threads popping on Wazua about Tz just shows that Kenyans are worried about Tz...oh was Kikwete even in Mombasa for that EAC meeting?...I'm sure he gave it a middle finger...Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
sparkly
#8 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:06:28 PM
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murchr
#9 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:12:41 PM
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the deal wrote:
murchr wrote:
the deal wrote:
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Tz's advance is already making folks nervous...watch for this leap of the century...Tz is SADC's proxy in DRC....aah Malawians are just making noise...nothing to worry there...on Rwanda...SADC...the West...they all want Kagame out...Tz like any power house...is just flexing its muscle and Kenya is worried real bad...


What advance?

The Chinese...the US & its former Presidents have all landed in Tz in 2013...all of them have come with goodies...the port from the chinese is very viable...all we need is peace in DRC...the richest country in Africa...or why do you think Tz is shafting Rwanda like that? Rwanda is supporting M23...once peace is attained in DRC...serious mining will take place...all shipped through the new port in Tz...even South Sudan can use it...SS are becoming distant from .Ke...theyre even talking Djibouti...thats a blow...Tz has the psychologic edge...or why do u think UK had to go to China? Its a blow in the sense that all the superpowers are coming to Tz instead of the current regional powerhouse...itself is an indicator of the leap Tz has taken....


There's no advancement there...infact the Bagamoyo chorus has now changed and the rhyme now is Dar port should be modernized to match the efficiency of Msa. The visits are a clear indication and signal of who is involved in DRC

On the M23 issue...Kagame has refused to eat ugali with those causing the war in DRC...read Kagame's piece on the EastAfrican sometime ago..tho its full of mafumbo the guy is exposing something that the many would rather close their eyes to. After this, he became a dictator..heard that before? And after that TZ became the new darling. The Rw TZ issue started when Rwandan intelligence agents intercepted and arrested Gen Stanislas Nzeyimana alias Bigaruka Izabayo, a senior FDLR commander, on his way out of Tanzania, where he had met senior regime and military officials. It is believed he is being promised the leadership of Rwanda because there's a plot to ouster Kagame.

On S.Sudan, they say the option to construct a pipeline to Djibouti is cheaper for them...well and good...it could be a blessing to us, we'd rather handle our resources alone. But from yesterdays meeting, S.Sudan was proposing that they be included on the Lappset project.

On discussions here, we are not worried rather we are wazuaring.

Point to note, we're the new middle east. If you know the history of middle east then you should be concerned on what is developing.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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the deal
#10 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:15:30 PM
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sparkly wrote:
the deal wrote:
Yeah I'm fun....but eish the number of threads popping on Wazua about Tz just shows that Kenyans are worried about Tz...oh was Kikwete even in Mombasa for that EAC meeting?...I'm sure he gave it a middle finger...Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


@the deal you don't really understand the geo-political relationship between Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania. Current status can be traced back to the Mwalimu-Kenyatta-Obote-Idi Amin days. Tanzania and Kenya chose opposite ideological paths that will be hard to reconcile even after 100 years. Uganda was the unstable

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