What are stamp duty rates in Ngong, Juanco area specifically? I have conflicting rates of 2% and 4% from two different lawyers.

What part of Tuala? Does it mean anybody with an allotment letter for property there should worry? Was Tuala owned by one person?

Selling my plot at utawala near tarmaid, commercial, titled and 40x80. Price 1.3m

past tamarind near where they sell water, quick developing area

2% agricultural land. In my opinion.

Tuala is very vast/large land, i doubt one guy can own that kind of land. i have a small plot there with valid tittle , entire transaction via the bank.

Even that Doctor from States and USIU have 'genuine' titles to the same parcel of land

hehehehe reading these stories from waaay back in 2013 and earlier is quite interesting. What beats me is.

1. Why would anyone in their right mind buy a property with no title? Allotment letter or "receipt from sacco" is not title. No search can be done on an allotment letter, so this already tells me the person was not serious when they were buying property as no due diligence at all worth writing home about was done. Promise of a title is NOT title. "I will subdivide for you once you pay me" is the biggest scam in this here our Kiinya. Yet fellows still buy on these hot air promises. Ya dunia kweli!

2. Why would anyone buy property from a PEP (Politically exposed person) with a known history of not-so-savoury transactions and/or grabbing?

3. Why would anyone buy a plot with title but without gaining possession (including fencing/making sure their land is well secured and not occupied by anyone else)?

4. Why would anyone buy property from any of the known hotspots (eg Embakasi Ranch or Njiru-Chokaa-Obama etc area)? And tufunny-funny irregular sizes (below 50x100) at that. My friend if you are being sold a 20x50 plot with no title, sorry to break it down to you but you will never see your money again nor own that plot ever in your life.

The other manenos of duplicate titles and the like have largely been rooted out by the digitisation push over the past decade. Thank God all registries that matter are more or less digitised. These days it would take extreme collusion and massive tampering for Lands guys to collude with an outsider to duplicate your title. The Lands guy would probably have to be an IT hacker who can cover their footprints, which takes very specialised IT knowledge. Things like "hiding of files/greencards" will be a thing of the past once digitisation is fully implemented (after the greedy Lawyers lawsuit is dismissed God willing and searches can be done on e-citizen).

This is also why I keep urging fellows to buy the newer dustbowl areas that do not have all these historical issues like the Moi-USIU cases have.

If you buy a plot in say Kitengela or Ngong or any other part of our beautiful dustbowl...

-- From either the original owner or the company/individual who bought from the original owner,

--Whose survey/deed plan confirms the beaconed boundaries of said plot

--Whose search confirms all details of the seller, and your due diligence on the seller him/herself (ID, KRA PIN as well as any known socio-political history in this country) all comes out clean. I personally never buy any property from people who have held any big public office in this country.

-- Whose neighbours confirm the history of the ownership of property (one of the best ways to do the first quick due diligence when you first go to view the property)

---And you gain possession and enforce possession and nobody comes claiming you are on their land over the years you have been in possession or pulls down your fence saying you are an intruder.

Chances of you buying a fake title or being swindled are almost next to zero.

But if you buy a plot from a big political family with a known history, get an allotment letter, did not gain possession of the property for years (or allowed strangers to squat there for years undisturbed), did not really investigate the history of the plot from neighbours or people in the know, or bought the property at a ridiculously cheap price compared to the known value and so on, why cry that you have been swindled? Perhaps you were born to be swindled in such cases!!

Ni hayo maoni yangu tu!

@Obiero,

But it has not happened to you and I am pretty sure that is because you did your due diligence! A boundary dispute is nothing. They did not steal your land or double allocate! As for humility, where does it come in to the picture? Is it a lack of humility to tell someone to study hard and do the right thing or you will fail and/or end up in jail? Of course not! Better you tell someone the bitter truth and save him or her from a disaster than keep quiet in the name of "humility" and cause more victims to suffer what the people who have been swindled have suffered!

Let us take the case you mention of Syokimau. Forget all the stories you heard about the government being in the wrong on this. The people who bought the plots there were the ones squarely in the wrong because NONE of them did their due diligence. They just started wailing when the chickens came home to roost and their houses built on fake titles were flattened like chapati. Sample this;

https://www.nation.co.ke...74186-f91d8r/index.html

Initially you may think it was the government in the wrong until you dig a little bit deeper..








So as we can see..They did not do a real search on title at the ministry of lands, they bought the plots at ridiculously low prices that should have been a huge red flag, and they did not heed any notices or warnings KAA gave them regarding the illegal invasion of the land. So whose fault was it that they lost their shirts? None but their own!

The same applies to almost all the other cases as well.

Jameni what more did you want to be told?

What has been your issue with the parcel of land you purchased#Obiero!