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tycho
#1 Posted : Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:48:00 PM
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I'm concerned that we are starting on devolution on weak footing. For example, the clamor for more funding for the counties is likely to work against devolution in the mid and long terms.

I fear the central government will grow insolvent, and counties, will fail to be viable economic units. The result, will be a collapse of our institutions and state.

I'd suggest that we focus on ways, policies, and technologies that will increase productivity right at the village level.

For example, how can we increase disposable incomes using IT?

I'm certain that we can improve our lives greatly even within these five years. We only need to make positive contributions that don't ask for more funding from outside the county/country.

Gathige
#2 Posted : Sunday, August 25, 2013 3:29:22 PM
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@tycho, for once I have understood a post from you. Before, I was just seeing twinkling stars when trying to read.

As is now, devolution is a social welfare system where the central government collects taxes and distributes to the the various Conties their allocation to mostly meet recurrent expenditure esp salaries and allowance to civil servants and county executives. There is little or no money left for any serious investments that can generate internal revenue in the counties. Once the politics cools down and a sober debate can be done, may be then we will figure out how best to develop all regions equitably.

Based on the experience of he Economic Stimulus Plan where markets, fishing ponds etc were done in rural areas and no substantial growth was realized it is clear very small units like counties have little capacity to generate markets and attract external investments unless the pull factor eg minerals, cheap source of power, necessary skills etc are available the counties will be struggling to survive.

"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
symbols
#3 Posted : Sunday, August 25, 2013 4:52:50 PM
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I think the old guards will resist any efforts towards use of IT since it diminishes their power.It's here to stay.Only question is,will we use it to better our lives.How do you structure it so that it empowers the people,increases transparency(hopefully leading to accountability) and reduces avenues for abuse?
tycho
#4 Posted : Sunday, August 25, 2013 5:24:33 PM
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Gathige wrote:
@tycho, for once I have understood a post from you. Before, I was just seeing twinkling stars when trying to read.

As is now, devolution is a social welfare system where the central government collects taxes and distributes to the the various Conties their allocation to mostly meet recurrent expenditure esp salaries and allowance to civil servants and county executives. There is little or no money left for any serious investments that can generate internal revenue in the counties. Once the politics cools down and a sober debate can be done, may be then we will figure out how best to develop all regions equitably.

Based on the experience of he Economic Stimulus Plan where markets, fishing ponds etc were done in rural areas and no substantial growth was realized it is clear very small units like counties have little capacity to generate markets and attract external investments unless the pull factor eg minerals, cheap source of power, necessary skills etc are available the counties will be struggling to survive.



Once the wheels of social welfare gain momentum there'll be no political cool down.

We will slide down all the way.


tycho
#5 Posted : Sunday, August 25, 2013 5:32:23 PM
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symbols wrote:
I think the old guards will resist any efforts towards use of IT since it diminishes their power.It's here to stay.Only question is,will we use it to better our lives.How do you structure it so that it empowers the people,increases transparency(hopefully leading to accountability) and reduces avenues for abuse?


The answer is in the enterpreneur. Our greatest political challenge is entrepreneurship.
Rankaz13
#6 Posted : Sunday, August 25, 2013 6:09:08 PM
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IMO, our answer lies in entrepreneurship, especially the support of small businesses. And in this regard, some of the greatest impediments and obstacles to this have always been local authorities. Sadly, it seems as though the county gov'ts have inherited and enhanced the same repressive tactics.
Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
Wakanyugi
#7 Posted : Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:55:02 PM
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I agree with Rakaz13 on the point about entrepreneurship as the ultimate solution, the engine that will create wealth for the whole country. If devolution can unleash entrepreneurship, especially among youth and women, it will have done its job.

But this will not be funded by Government money. Gathige is right, the kidogo money we are fighting over will barely pay for services, once the politicians have stolen their usual cut.

Counties must aim to grow the cake, not just clamor for a diminishing slice that will barely pay the bills. In this the only governors who seem to get it are Kidero and Mutua.

The rest seem to think they were elected to yell at a microphone 24/7.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Muriel
#8 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 9:42:55 AM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
I agree with Rakaz13 on the point about entrepreneurship as the ultimate solution, the engine that will create wealth for the whole country. If devolution can unleash entrepreneurship, especially among youth and women, it will have done its job.

But this will not be funded by Government money. Gathige is right, the kidogo money we are fighting over will barely pay for services, once the politicians have stolen their usual cut.

Counties must aim to grow the cake, not just clamor for a diminishing slice that will barely pay the bills. In this the only governors who seem to get it are Kidero and Mutua.

The rest seem to think they were elected to yell at a microphone 24/7.


But you should agree with Tycho, on 'entrepreneurship' Rankaz13 has just hopped on. This is a small detail I could not help but notice.

Let me state why and how I noticed what I have noticed.

If the answer to devolution is in entrepreneurship then the answer to entrepreneurship is in education.

What is the quality of the individuals who are supposed to 'operate' this entrepreneurship?

What is their take on 'entrepreneurship'? Are they willing to get into the 'hardware' enterprises?

Like Rakaz13 and you, 'we' finger the 'local authorities', the 'other people' the governors, as the culprits, impediments, obstacles.

Unlike Gathinge, 'we' are not seeing the potentials of the markets, fish ponds, the handy (literally) skills etc in the rural areas.

Unlike Tycho, 'we' are not seeing the potentials of 'appropriate' technologies at the village level.

And Tycho will forgive me for suspecting that this thread is a subtle follow up to a case study, 'otonglo' man saga which we had discussed earlier.

With the current mindset of Kenyans as depicted in that discussion about his training, his education, will this 'otonglo' man contribute to devolution?

Will you and I contribute to devolution? 'How can we increase disposable incomes using IT?' '..... We can improve our lives greately' ....

That is the reason why and how I noticed what I had noticed.

But maybe Tycho can tell us who is 'we'? lol.
tycho
#9 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 11:45:02 AM
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Muriel wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
I agree with Rakaz13 on the point about entrepreneurship as the ultimate solution, the engine that will create wealth for the whole country. If devolution can unleash entrepreneurship, especially among youth and women, it will have done its job.

But this will not be funded by Government money. Gathige is right, the kidogo money we are fighting over will barely pay for services, once the politicians have stolen their usual cut.

Counties must aim to grow the cake, not just clamor for a diminishing slice that will barely pay the bills. In this the only governors who seem to get it are Kidero and Mutua.

The rest seem to think they were elected to yell at a microphone 24/7.


But you should agree with Tycho, on 'entrepreneurship' Rankaz13 has just hopped on. This is a small detail I could not help but notice.

Let me state why and how I noticed what I have noticed.

If the answer to devolution is in entrepreneurship then the answer to entrepreneurship is in education.

What is the quality of the individuals who are supposed to 'operate' this entrepreneurship?

What is their take on 'entrepreneurship'? Are they willing to get into the 'hardware' enterprises?

Like Rakaz13 and you, 'we' finger the 'local authorities', the 'other people' the governors, as the culprits, impediments, obstacles.

Unlike Gathinge, 'we' are not seeing the potentials of the markets, fish ponds, the handy (literally) skills etc in the rural areas.

Unlike Tycho, 'we' are not seeing the potentials of 'appropriate' technologies at the village level.

And Tycho will forgive me for suspecting that this thread is a subtle follow up to a case study, 'otonglo' man saga which we had discussed earlier.

With the current mindset of Kenyans as depicted in that discussion about his training, his education, will this 'otonglo' man contribute to devolution?

Will you and I contribute to devolution? 'How can we increase disposable incomes using IT?' '..... We can improve our lives greately' ....

That is the reason why and how I noticed what I had noticed.

But maybe Tycho can tell us who is 'we'? lol.


'We', is 'I'.

Everything turns out to be a subtle continuation of something that came 'before'. I'm looking at it as Spiritual progression.

It turns out that the game is on and trying to change it's spirit is an impossible task. The political path is set. This is what @symbols is saying, I believe.

And so I'm now asking myself, 'and how will I live'? 'What am I to do'?

Should I be rich? Should I be poor? I realize these are the wrong questions.
'A long time ago', people used birds to communicate; so how is IT so revolutionary?

I'm focusing on the wrong things.

Wasting words.





Wakanyugi
#10 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 1:18:20 PM
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Muriel wrote:


But you should agree with Tycho, on 'entrepreneurship' Rankaz13 has just hopped on.

If the answer to devolution is in entrepreneurship then the answer to entrepreneurship is in education.


I suspect Tycho will forgive me for stealing his thunder. And Rakarz13 will owe me a beer smile

As for your point about education, I agree. But it is only half the answer.

We have education but of the wrong orientation, where youth are socialized to think that someone owes them a job. You remember that old VOK/KBC jingle:

"Someni vijana
Mtapata kazi nzuri sana."


Those days are gone and our education must orient youth to become job creators, not job seekers.

Unfortunately a recent article by Biko, lamenting the lethargy of our youth, made me think those days are still with us, even if only in the, make-me-rich-quick, attitudes of the facebook generation.

But, here is the other half: The real answer to entrepreneurship is necessity. We have reached the threshold of necessity and many people are finding entrepreneurship in order to survive, not because they enjoy the risk and uncertainty.

The third stage will come when entrepreneurship becomes fashionable and youth begin aspiring to it - as a first choice. We shall need a few 'peer heroes' to make good on business before we can get there. But we shall get there.

Now if devolution can hasten this process.....
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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