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kysse wrote:tycho wrote: I'm not talking about excluding other races, Among the Africans there was communalism, and kinship; what did 'assimilation' do? Families were torn apart, 'native' culture abandoned, and looked at with suspicion.
Lol. Can we identify ideas among our tribes that are 'decadent'? Wife inheritance? Imagine the logic behind it. The tribe at its most considerate, neh?
FGM,Witchcraft,Nightrunning,Cannibalism,Mob Jungle justice...
But now city life has torn everyone apart, each is on his own. Now we are having the technocity, how will we live in it? Will the 'African' cease to exist? Are we all going to die swimming across the 'oceans'? 'We are', means Identity. Identity, idea.
The city hasn't torn us apart,we do it ourselves. We cannot afford to think communial because in the city,everything revolves around time and decisions must be arrived at fast and actioned. It's easy to think as 'we' in the village because people embrace the same culture where they are at. It's however impossible to reason like that in a cosmopolitan city.It's every man for himself and what works best for him. People don't hate progress,they just hate adapting new ways of doing things and learning 'how to' in order to make life easier. We would rather stick to the old even if it slows down efficiency /productivity than learn. @ Tycho,What best defines 'African'? cz if it's weird practices,systems and beliefs then they can die very fast as we swim across the 'oceans'. eg saw some people in kisii,2 weeks ago holding on to the belief, that making a girl jump over paraphanelia placed at the door step will protect her from conceiving a child before marriage. And just in case it happens? she gets married off to the oldest bachelor in the village! What would stop such girls from escaping to town to avoid becoming wives of 50/70 yr old bachelors? Another from ate a child in the name of culture. Such beliefs are outdated. It's easy to brush aside some of these traditional practices like 'FGM' and the like. And this is because we already have bias against African mythology and rationality. But, isn't the commercialization of sex a kind of FGM? How different is night running different from 'underground races'? Should all people sleep at night? What if you had the power to tame a hyena? Wouldn't you practice at night? There's so much weird stuff happening now. For example, every year, thousands of youth are killed in the war against crime. Yet this thread has been prompted by the experience of corrupt and unprogressive institutions. It's not about what describes the African best. It's about African essence. The land, the people, the mythology, the philosophy. You were right about time being short in the city. This brings out the city as a program. A program that runs the economic machine of the nation state. The city is a magnetic beast. It's the tax center. You don't want to live in the nethers, one would rather sell his soul in the city.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:its ALL CULTURE!! everything else is just a facet of our culture. has anyone seen this? I've been watching this documentary for the last 45 minutes. It's clear to me now. Thanks @masukuma. Blaming it on racial difference is an excuse. The reason why we fail is due to environmental differences: economic and social factors. Obama got it when he said: We need new mindset, new attitude. The whole lot of our country men.I picked up something very impressive: Africans drive through life with brakes on. Waaa, this on blew my head, how true!! Environmental, economic, and social differences, are power relations. And power is about identity. In late eighteenth century, the idea of 'European' superiority came into being. And now when we look at others as superior then we acknowledge inferiority. And the results will always leave us inferior.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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kysse wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:kysse wrote:kiterunner wrote:1. Ensure our children grow up with confidence that there is nothing wrong with being black. Which cartoons do your kids watch? How many black characters are on them ? or asian? the black characters end up getting beaten. They also crop up in cartoon featuring jungle.2. Education should enable kids to be enabled to be more creative and thinkers. That way hopefully they will grow without tribal goggles and choose leaders that are not tender-preneurs I wouldn't place so much hope there because like I said, a majority of Tribal African leaders making poor decisions are educated in the best places possible. 3. Read and think and always better yourself True, these people always portray the black as the bad guy. And I always see this in the Hollywood movies, the black guy is always the one being humiliated!!! That's why @kiterunner is asking you, which movies your kid watches. Please be close to your children, and guide them. I pray to God to guide me to guide my children, amen. The tribal leaders are greedy. That's why. So the education didn't change them. And because of their greediness, they joint the eaters! So sad. that is why I am happy having my kid watching "doc macstuffins" We should be able to create our own animations. The few black ones I have watched contain themes revolving around poverty,witchcraft,sicknesses; cholera,malaria,abuse-mashida tu =makes kids develop an inferior attitude towards the society. Raise up confident kids who believe they can be what they desire to be and change the world for better and you will see how they talk. Our 'animations' would need our mythology, our beliefs. How is this possible if we don't understand our heritage? Think of 'Tinga Tinga tales'. Which 'worldview' does it develop? How would an African one look like? 'ION', there are 'rumours' that Aesop's fables are originally from Africa.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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kysse wrote:List in your preferred order from below, beginning with the worst to the least. You may add to the list.
1.Tribes 2.Western influence 3.Corruption/Greed 4.Funded Militias 5.Attitude/Mentality 6.Religion 7.Governance 8.Jealousy and hatred among African countries. 9.Politics 10.Culture/Traditions
The problem is that we have been brainwashed to believe that Africa is a hell hole plagued by all manner of problems and that the rest of the world is a paradise. You just need to read abit of history (and current affairs) to realise that worse conditions have occurred elsewhere. Even in Europe the situation was much worse not so long ago. You can read about feudal europe, the black death, cholera in europe, irish famine, slums in europe, world wars (70m were killed in WW2 just 70yrs ago!), bosnia, Kosovo, syria, beirut, afghanistan, Korea, Niajin massacre carried out by the japanese on the chinese,israel/palestine, india/pakistan, annihilation of the indigenous peoples of the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, latin america etc etc. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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jaggernaut wrote:kysse wrote:List in your preferred order from below, beginning with the worst to the least. You may add to the list.
1.Tribes 2.Western influence 3.Corruption/Greed 4.Funded Militias 5.Attitude/Mentality 6.Religion 7.Governance 8.Jealousy and hatred among African countries. 9.Politics 10.Culture/Traditions
The problem is that we have been brainwashed to believe that Africa is a hell hole plagued by all manner of problems and that the rest of the world is a paradise. You just need to read abit of history (and current affairs) to realise that worse conditions have occurred elsewhere. Even in Europe the situation was much worse not so long ago. You can read about feudal europe, the black death, cholera in europe, irish famine, slums in europe, world wars (70m were killed in WW2 just 70yrs ago!), bosnia, Kosovo, syria, beirut, afghanistan, Korea, Niajin massacre carried out by the japanese on the chinese,israel/palestine, india/pakistan, annihilation of the indigenous peoples of the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, latin america etc etc.  we are getting there! has anyone watched "men who built america?" All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:jaggernaut wrote:kysse wrote:List in your preferred order from below, beginning with the worst to the least. You may add to the list.
1.Tribes 2.Western influence 3.Corruption/Greed 4.Funded Militias 5.Attitude/Mentality 6.Religion 7.Governance 8.Jealousy and hatred among African countries. 9.Politics 10.Culture/Traditions
The problem is that we have been brainwashed to believe that Africa is a hell hole plagued by all manner of problems and that the rest of the world is a paradise. You just need to read abit of history (and current affairs) to realise that worse conditions have occurred elsewhere. Even in Europe the situation was much worse not so long ago. You can read about feudal europe, the black death, cholera in europe, irish famine, slums in europe, world wars (70m were killed in WW2 just 70yrs ago!), bosnia, Kosovo, syria, beirut, afghanistan, Korea, Niajin massacre carried out by the japanese on the chinese,israel/palestine, india/pakistan, annihilation of the indigenous peoples of the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, latin america etc etc.  we are getting there! has anyone watched "men who built america?" 'There'? I'd rather we lived here and now. Then, we'll live creatively and we'll be in touch with our needs.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:jaggernaut wrote:kysse wrote:List in your preferred order from below, beginning with the worst to the least. You may add to the list.
1.Tribes 2.Western influence 3.Corruption/Greed 4.Funded Militias 5.Attitude/Mentality 6.Religion 7.Governance 8.Jealousy and hatred among African countries. 9.Politics 10.Culture/Traditions
The problem is that we have been brainwashed to believe that Africa is a hell hole plagued by all manner of problems and that the rest of the world is a paradise. You just need to read abit of history (and current affairs) to realise that worse conditions have occurred elsewhere. Even in Europe the situation was much worse not so long ago. You can read about feudal europe, the black death, cholera in europe, irish famine, slums in europe, world wars (70m were killed in WW2 just 70yrs ago!), bosnia, Kosovo, syria, beirut, afghanistan, Korea, Niajin massacre carried out by the japanese on the chinese,israel/palestine, india/pakistan, annihilation of the indigenous peoples of the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, latin america etc etc.  we are getting there! has anyone watched "men who built america?" 'There'? I'd rather we lived here and now. Then, we'll live creatively and we'll be in touch with our needs. kwani hauelewi the statement "we are getting there"? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:jaggernaut wrote:kysse wrote:List in your preferred order from below, beginning with the worst to the least. You may add to the list.
1.Tribes 2.Western influence 3.Corruption/Greed 4.Funded Militias 5.Attitude/Mentality 6.Religion 7.Governance 8.Jealousy and hatred among African countries. 9.Politics 10.Culture/Traditions
The problem is that we have been brainwashed to believe that Africa is a hell hole plagued by all manner of problems and that the rest of the world is a paradise. You just need to read abit of history (and current affairs) to realise that worse conditions have occurred elsewhere. Even in Europe the situation was much worse not so long ago. You can read about feudal europe, the black death, cholera in europe, irish famine, slums in europe, world wars (70m were killed in WW2 just 70yrs ago!), bosnia, Kosovo, syria, beirut, afghanistan, Korea, Niajin massacre carried out by the japanese on the chinese,israel/palestine, india/pakistan, annihilation of the indigenous peoples of the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, latin america etc etc.  we are getting there! has anyone watched "men who built america?" 'There'? I'd rather we lived here and now. Then, we'll live creatively and we'll be in touch with our needs. kwani hauelewi the statement "we are getting there"? Hapana. What do you mean?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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I think Tycho is against what we describe to as progress. Using the west as a yardstick is what irks him. I think he prefers Africa friendly solutions to Africa's problems instead of allowing the west to define us. Can we do without the west tycho?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 951 Location: Nyumbani
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kysse wrote:List in your preferred order from below, beginning with the worst to the least. You may add to the list.
1.Tribes
2.Western influence 3.Corruption/Greed 4.Funded Militias 5.Attitude/Mentality 6.Religion 7.Governance 8.Jealousy and hatred among African countries. 9.Politics 10.Culture/Traditions
I think we shall always be tribes. The problem is when you are poor and that’s why people start associating their poverty with tribes. This was evident in 2007 when places like Kibra were burning, others were quite @ home in the posh neighborhoods they did not take arms against each other. Ever noticed among the monied , they refer each other using the English names , Antony , Richard, Ruth while among the less moneyed its usually Kamau , Onyango , Kipruto ,Mueni . No need to talk about western influence depends on what you copy. our grandfathers who started copying we know how far they went .They went to school like the westerners and most of us are where we are because of copying western culture otherwise we could still hunting and gathering fruits like the pygmies in Congo. But if we start adopting bestiality and homosexuality, then we are doomed. Religion we tend to really take this to extreme no one sees any problem feeding a rich pastor and building them houses while we do not have our own or buying them posh cars while we are taking matatus to work or even trekking. Politics, like religion is also taken to the extreme, not that it’s bad to talk politics but I guess people should know the limits and when to get to work Culture /traditions like western influence, I think we should know what to continue practicing and what to stop. Talk of stuff like female g mutilation or practicing witchcraft. At least we are a bit better we do not have the voodoos.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:kysse wrote:kiterunner wrote:Can we now offer solutions on this thread  . Whenever I come across well travelled and highly educated people in positions of authority behaving talking and reasoning like jungle animals,I lose hope for Africa. We are a strangely unique people who read 'motive' in any attempt to progress. First step is to acknowledge that we are enemies of progress. When the 'white man' came, he found 'us' behaving like 'wild animals' and embarked on the process of civilizing the African. And now, a few years later, it's the African calling himself a savage, and bemoaning his being. It makes me wonder, isn't this the highest form of 'indoctrination', 'Babylon'? For, there's no way a person can speak thus of his self and not be lost. We are doing exactly what the 'white man' wanted us to do. Abandon our identity and embrace the 'enlightenment'. But what will happen when you awaken to the event that the enlightenment ideas have run out breath and are now dead? Where will you run to? Whose idea will you borrow? You Godless race? Idol worshipers. Vampires. What is enlightenment to you? There's only one true enlightenment, being in identity with the most high and unnamable being. To embrace the mind, the body, and the spirit. And be in such unity now, and forever more. I think that is also a foreign idea.My point being that ideas can't be defined as Western,Eastern or African.Africa has to be open to foreign ideas but like @masukuma pointed out,applied to our local conditions.If we've discovered we were doing something(s) in a way that wasn't fulfilling our goals shouldn't we accept it? Is it? What is the 'Ka' in 'Afrika'? I'm not talking about excluding other races, Among the Africans there was communalism, and kinship; what did 'assimilation' do? Families were torn apart, 'native' culture abandoned, and looked at with suspicion. Lol. Can we identify ideas among our tribes that are 'decadent'? Wife inheritance? Imagine the logic behind it. The tribe at its most considerate, neh? But now city life has torn everyone apart, each is on his own. Now we are having the technocity, how will we live in it? Will the 'African' cease to exist? Are we all going to die swimming across the 'oceans'? 'We are', means Identity. Identity, idea. How does one bring the benefits of being and identity to the starving African? Which 'one'? Are you a starving African? Its not about me.Its about Africa and trying to bring the collective knowledge to good use.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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if we educate the masses and kill corruption and work extra harder to detail, most of all these problems will go away. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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harrydre wrote:if we educate the masses and kill corruption and work extra harder to detail, most of all these problems will go away. I agree.The mwakenya culture is a big problem.There was a time Africa fought for a chance to acquire knowledge.Now our role models are drug lords,thieves,murders.... And from what I understand knowledge in the African culture was passed on by our grandparents.Now the grandparents are busy fungaing their grandchildren and their children disregarding them because the tv and is a better nanny with less obligations.Well we don't live in the same conditions but we've lost something.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:kysse wrote:kiterunner wrote:Can we now offer solutions on this thread  . Whenever I come across well travelled and highly educated people in positions of authority behaving talking and reasoning like jungle animals,I lose hope for Africa. We are a strangely unique people who read 'motive' in any attempt to progress. First step is to acknowledge that we are enemies of progress. When the 'white man' came, he found 'us' behaving like 'wild animals' and embarked on the process of civilizing the African. And now, a few years later, it's the African calling himself a savage, and bemoaning his being. It makes me wonder, isn't this the highest form of 'indoctrination', 'Babylon'? For, there's no way a person can speak thus of his self and not be lost. We are doing exactly what the 'white man' wanted us to do. Abandon our identity and embrace the 'enlightenment'. But what will happen when you awaken to the event that the enlightenment ideas have run out breath and are now dead? Where will you run to? Whose idea will you borrow? You Godless race? Idol worshipers. Vampires. What is enlightenment to you? There's only one true enlightenment, being in identity with the most high and unnamable being. To embrace the mind, the body, and the spirit. And be in such unity now, and forever more. I think that is also a foreign idea.My point being that ideas can't be defined as Western,Eastern or African.Africa has to be open to foreign ideas but like @masukuma pointed out,applied to our local conditions.If we've discovered we were doing something(s) in a way that wasn't fulfilling our goals shouldn't we accept it? Is it? What is the 'Ka' in 'Afrika'? I'm not talking about excluding other races, Among the Africans there was communalism, and kinship; what did 'assimilation' do? Families were torn apart, 'native' culture abandoned, and looked at with suspicion. Lol. Can we identify ideas among our tribes that are 'decadent'? Wife inheritance? Imagine the logic behind it. The tribe at its most considerate, neh? But now city life has torn everyone apart, each is on his own. Now we are having the technocity, how will we live in it? Will the 'African' cease to exist? Are we all going to die swimming across the 'oceans'? 'We are', means Identity. Identity, idea. How does one bring the benefits of being and identity to the starving African? Which 'one'? Are you a starving African? Its not about me.Its about Africa and trying to bring the collective knowledge to good use. Africa is you. It's always about you. How you live, and love. How you find and share knowledge, and use it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:kysse wrote:kiterunner wrote:Can we now offer solutions on this thread  . Whenever I come across well travelled and highly educated people in positions of authority behaving talking and reasoning like jungle animals,I lose hope for Africa. We are a strangely unique people who read 'motive' in any attempt to progress. First step is to acknowledge that we are enemies of progress. When the 'white man' came, he found 'us' behaving like 'wild animals' and embarked on the process of civilizing the African. And now, a few years later, it's the African calling himself a savage, and bemoaning his being. It makes me wonder, isn't this the highest form of 'indoctrination', 'Babylon'? For, there's no way a person can speak thus of his self and not be lost. We are doing exactly what the 'white man' wanted us to do. Abandon our identity and embrace the 'enlightenment'. But what will happen when you awaken to the event that the enlightenment ideas have run out breath and are now dead? Where will you run to? Whose idea will you borrow? You Godless race? Idol worshipers. Vampires. What is enlightenment to you? There's only one true enlightenment, being in identity with the most high and unnamable being. To embrace the mind, the body, and the spirit. And be in such unity now, and forever more. I think that is also a foreign idea.My point being that ideas can't be defined as Western,Eastern or African.Africa has to be open to foreign ideas but like @masukuma pointed out,applied to our local conditions.If we've discovered we were doing something(s) in a way that wasn't fulfilling our goals shouldn't we accept it? Is it? What is the 'Ka' in 'Afrika'? I'm not talking about excluding other races, Among the Africans there was communalism, and kinship; what did 'assimilation' do? Families were torn apart, 'native' culture abandoned, and looked at with suspicion. Lol. Can we identify ideas among our tribes that are 'decadent'? Wife inheritance? Imagine the logic behind it. The tribe at its most considerate, neh? But now city life has torn everyone apart, each is on his own. Now we are having the technocity, how will we live in it? Will the 'African' cease to exist? Are we all going to die swimming across the 'oceans'? 'We are', means Identity. Identity, idea. How does one bring the benefits of being and identity to the starving African? Which 'one'? Are you a starving African? Its not about me.Its about Africa and trying to bring the collective knowledge to good use. Africa is you. It's always about you. How you live, and love. How you find and share knowledge, and use it.
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