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kysse
#31 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 7:13:14 AM
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African's Failure to read and understand.smile

kysse wrote:
List in your preferred order starting with the worst.



12.Adding Inferiority complex.
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murchr
#32 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 8:05:17 AM
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Falling over ourselves trying to please others...this is as a result of leadership and as kysse says, inferiority complex. Look at the tension btn Rwanda and TZ why wouldn't the 2 leaders just meet and discuss the issue??
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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chepkel
#33 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 9:18:59 AM
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Tribalism.....Root of all our problems!!!
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Rollout
#34 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 5:46:02 PM
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Arrogance..... Africans are just downright arrogant people; "Do you know who I am attitude." When African make a little more money they want to slap everyone walking the streets.
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murchr
#35 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 6:09:24 PM
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chepkel wrote:
Tribalism.....Root of all our problems!!!


How? Is their anything wrong with being Kalenjin Kikuyu luo? I dont think so. Its leaders who use our tribal identities to separate us.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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theman192000
#36 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 6:17:40 PM
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Rollout wrote:
Arrogance..... Africans are just downright arrogant people; "Do you know who I am attitude." When African make a little more money they want to slap everyone walking the streets.


Just to add on to what Rollout has said; my take is that of the game theory which states that in order for me to win you must lose. We mistakenly believe that there is not enough for everyone.

This was ingrained in Kenyans under the divide and rule system employed by the British colonial government which also established the class system. A few loyal Africans (read hyenas) were elevated above the others and this continues to date.

What we lack is great leadership which seeks to build everybody. A pure capitalistic society of man eat man as Nyerere described Kenyans is not the answer but neither is communism which encourages uzembe as someone said above.

The late Kijana Wamalwa said that in order to achieve greatness we must stand on the shoulders of those greater than ourselves.
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FRM2011
#37 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 6:39:30 PM
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Genetically, we might be the same with other races but i stongly believe the mind of the african is not fully developed. And no it has nothing to do with education. Let me illustrate with a county am familiar with.

Kirinyaga county is the richest in kenya, infant mortality rate is lowest there, every kid born in kirinyaga has a very strong chance of attaining post-primary education. Missionaries brought the good word to the people there and they boast of celebrated cleric David Gitari. Reseachers say its the best place to be born in Kenya.

BUT to this day, they are still lynching old people suspected of witchcraft. Indeed, i have never seen people who have such little regard for human life as the good people of Kirinyaga. Everytime i traverse this beautiful county, I always wonder why God was so generous to this land yet soo mean to its inhabitants.
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#38 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 6:43:58 PM
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Maybe we like things as they are.
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Rollout
#39 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 7:04:12 PM
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theman192000 wrote:
Rollout wrote:
Arrogance..... Africans are just downright arrogant people; "Do you know who I am attitude." When African make a little more money they want to slap everyone walking the streets.


Just to add on to what Rollout has said; my take is that of the game theory which states that in order for me to win you must lose. We mistakenly believe that there is not enough for everyone.

This was ingrained in Kenyans under the divide and rule system employed by the British colonial government which also established the class system. A few loyal Africans (read hyenas) were elevated above the others and this continues to date.

What we lack is great leadership which seeks to build everybody. A pure capitalistic society of man eat man as Nyerere described Kenyans is not the answer but neither is communism which encourages uzembe as someone said above.

The late Kijana Wamalwa said that in order to achieve greatness we must stand on the shoulders of those greater than ourselves.


I disagree, Africans were selfish even before the british came, the british did not create a class system, African culture is build around master/slave setting. I am a kalenjin, my great gradma was brough from Maasai before the british to serve my great gradpa. Infact in African culture the man eat first then everyone else with get the leftovers once he is satisfied! If you go to Western cultures kids are fed first.
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masukuma
#40 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 7:18:41 PM
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we talk about our problems instead of fixing them or atleast talking about solutions that are personal and not something to be done by someone else Laughing out loudly
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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kiterunner
#41 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 7:33:48 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Rajolghani wrote:
Genetics

I disagree.... there is nothing genetically wrong or different with us. I know what you think... but its not the cranium sizes is all just a retrogressive (old world) culture. in a couple of years we will catch up!


actually some diseases that ail us may lead to impaired cognitive development ie malaria and many helminthic infections. They may not kill you as a kid but you will live with the effects for the rest of your life. Considering that these things have been around for millenia and some are still around today. Cumulatively over millenia you dont need to imagine the damage, you have us the kenyan voter
our goals are best achieved indirectly
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theman192000
#42 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 7:39:26 PM
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Rollout wrote:
theman192000 wrote:
Rollout wrote:
Arrogance..... Africans are just downright arrogant people; "Do you know who I am attitude." When African make a little more money they want to slap everyone walking the streets.


Just to add on to what Rollout has said; my take is that of the game theory which states that in order for me to win you must lose. We mistakenly believe that there is not enough for everyone.

This was ingrained in Kenyans under the divide and rule system employed by the British colonial government which also established the class system. A few loyal Africans (read hyenas) were elevated above the others and this continues to date.

What we lack is great leadership which seeks to build everybody. A pure capitalistic society of man eat man as Nyerere described Kenyans is not the answer but neither is communism which encourages uzembe as someone said above.

The late Kijana Wamalwa said that in order to achieve greatness we must stand on the shoulders of those greater than ourselves.


I disagree, Africans were selfish even before the british came, the british did not create a class system, African culture is build around master/slave setting. I am a kalenjin, my great gradma was brough from Maasai before the british to serve my great gradpa. Infact in African culture the man eat first then everyone else with get the leftovers once he is satisfied! If you go to Western cultures kids are fed first.


My brother I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with. I did not say that the British made Africans selfish, I just said they ingrained i.e firmly fixed the class culture. This is why Wazua posts are littered with talk of middle class, etc.

The issue of the man eating first was a throw back to the caveman days where the man hunted for game. If you didn't feed him first, eventually the entire family will starve.

@ masukuma my solution is based on Kijana Wamalwa's quote.
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kiterunner
#43 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 9:52:06 PM
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Can we now offer solutions on this thread
our goals are best achieved indirectly
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#44 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 10:08:29 PM
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It might not be a solution to some but for me,the fact that we are trying to identify the problem(s) is a step in the right direction.
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kysse
#45 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 10:18:07 PM
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kiterunner wrote:
Can we now offer solutions on this thread


Applause Applause .

Whenever I come across well travelled and highly educated people in positions of authority behaving talking and reasoning like jungle animals,I lose hope for Africa.
We are a strangely unique people who read 'motive' in any attempt to progress.

First step is to acknowledge that we are enemies of progress.
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