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Average cost of standard railway gauge from Mombasa to Malaba!
josimar
#41 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:07:51 PM
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josimar wrote:
The biggest beneficiary in this whole arrangement will be China, we shall pay back the loan + interest, if the locomotives are from China be rest assuared that for the next 10Years we shall be purchasing spares from them. All these money will be going to their economy.

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@josimar, And the alternative would be? Care to share?

Do we tax ourselves for several years to raise the amounts needed? How much would we raise and how much would that hurt the economy?
If loans are that bad,why do we take loans from banks?
Is it that individual development loans are good but gov't development loans are bad?

Bottom line is, if the loan is utilized well, the multiplier effect of an efficient transport system out weighs the financing costs.

We don't make spare parts of anything,heck we even import toothpicks. Where else would we be getting spare parts from if not importing.

What we should be championing is transparency and accountability.


My point is it is quite expensive to single source.
Allank
#42 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:29:24 PM
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GGK wrote:
Impunity wrote:
GGK wrote:

As for mode of operation, the current is locomotive (where the engines pulls all the load from the front). What is proposed is different..... diesel-electric multiple unit (DEMU) where a diesel engine drives an electrical generator or an alternator which produces electrical energy. The generated current is then fed to electric traction motors on the wheels or bogies. this produces trains that gain speed faster and stops fasters


Where is this diesel engine located? Is it located at the front of the whole train or located within selected wagons/coaches?


I guess the engines are distributed


DMU engines are smaller and several are used on a train, depending on the configuration. The diesel engine is often mounted under the car floor and on its side because of the restricted space available. Vibration being transmitted into the passenger saloon has always been a problem but some of the newer designs are very good in this respect.
Diesel-electric locomotives come in three varieties, according to the period in which they were designed. These three are:
DC - DC (DC generator supplying DC traction motors);
AC - DC (AC alternator output rectified to supply DC motors) and
AC - DC - AC (AC alternator output rectified to DC and then inverted to 3-phase AC for the traction motors).

The DC - DC type has a generator supplying the DC traction motors through a resistance control system, the AC - DC type has an alternator producing AC current which is rectified to DC and then supplied to the DC traction motors and, finally, the most modern has the AC alternator output being rectified to DC and then converted to AC (3-phase) so that it can power the 3-phase AC traction motors. Although this last system might seem the most complex, the gains from using AC motors far outweigh the apparent complexity of the system. In reality, most of the equipment uses solid state power electronics with microprocessor-based controls.

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mkeiyd
#43 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2013 4:22:29 PM
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josimar wrote:



My point is it is quite expensive to single source.


At what rate is the loan being advanced at?
Are trains like cars whereby you can just buy spare parts from the many dealers all over the world?
When KQ buys Boeing, do they buy spares from just anywhere?
GGK
#44 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:17:57 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
josimar wrote:

My point is it is quite expensive to single source.


At what rate is the loan being advanced at?
Are trains like cars whereby you can just buy spare parts from the many dealers all over the world?
When KQ buys Boeing, do they buy spares from just anywhere?

No you can not fix Airbus parts on Boeing. Once you buy from one manufacturer, you are "married" to that one manufacturer
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Impunity
#45 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2013 8:55:52 PM
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murchr wrote:
Impunity wrote:
josimar wrote:
The locomotives will also be supplied from China, so the project comes with a full package.


I would rather we do German locos than Chinese; RELIABILITY and motive POWER!



Ooh come-on the chinese trains as as good as germans why should we pay more??


Longevity!!!!

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Impunity
#46 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2013 8:58:10 PM
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murchr wrote:
mawinder wrote:
murchr wrote:
Impunity wrote:
josimar wrote:
The locomotives will also be supplied from China, so the project comes with a full package.


I would rather we do German locos than Chinese; RELIABILITY and motive POWER!



Ooh come-on the chinese trains as as good as germans why should we pay more??

Uhuru should have got Marklin,Fleischmann,Lima trains not the likes of Foton or whatever from China.


The person to set up a local plant here should carry the day, imagine if a train is to stop then we're told that an engineer should come from germany


How long will it take an engineer to travel from China to Kenya?
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Impunity
#47 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 8:47:30 AM
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Allank wrote:
GGK wrote:
Impunity wrote:
GGK wrote:

As for mode of operation, the current is locomotive (where the engines pulls all the load from the front). What is proposed is different..... diesel-electric multiple unit (DEMU) where a diesel engine drives an electrical generator or an alternator which produces electrical energy. The generated current is then fed to electric traction motors on the wheels or bogies. this produces trains that gain speed faster and stops fasters


Where is this diesel engine located? Is it located at the front of the whole train or located within selected wagons/coaches?


I guess the engines are distributed


DMU engines are smaller and several are used on a train, depending on the configuration. The diesel engine is often mounted under the car floor and on its side because of the restricted space available. Vibration being transmitted into the passenger saloon has always been a problem but some of the newer designs are very good in this respect.
Diesel-electric locomotives come in three varieties, according to the period in which they were designed. These three are:
DC - DC (DC generator supplying DC traction motors);
AC - DC (AC alternator output rectified to supply DC motors) and
AC - DC - AC (AC alternator output rectified to DC and then inverted to 3-phase AC for the traction motors).

The DC - DC type has a generator supplying the DC traction motors through a resistance control system, the AC - DC type has an alternator producing AC current which is rectified to DC and then supplied to the DC traction motors and, finally, the most modern has the AC alternator output being rectified to DC and then converted to AC (3-phase) so that it can power the 3-phase AC traction motors. Although this last system might seem the most complex, the gains from using AC motors far outweigh the apparent complexity of the system. In reality, most of the equipment uses solid state power electronics with microprocessor-based controls.



Exactment...DC-DC are nowadays rare!
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Edyj
#48 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 9:00:12 AM
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dunkang wrote:
Impunity wrote:
josimar wrote:
A project of this magnitude cutting across the landscape will surely encounter challenges eg, land displacements, environmental concerns, wildlife activists etc...I support the project but give it a timeline of 4 to 5 Years from now.


Without corruption and local politician interference and with the Chinese speed this project should take 3 years...but nawezawait 5 years.

Railway is my thing and I wish the gaament can involve me in the design and setting up stages.

I know some of the best diesel locos from Germany which are as reliable as electric locos, the type of locos used in Israel.

ION:Israel being one of the tech-savvy country has no got no single kilometer of electric train; all trains are diesel propelled, in types of powerhouses pulling/pushing the wagos and other are DMU's. I once boarded one from Tel-Aiv to Haifa.


CORD fanatics will derail the project!



How???
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Impunity
#49 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 10:01:46 AM
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Edyj wrote:
dunkang wrote:
Impunity wrote:
josimar wrote:
A project of this magnitude cutting across the landscape will surely encounter challenges eg, land displacements, environmental concerns, wildlife activists etc...I support the project but give it a timeline of 4 to 5 Years from now.


Without corruption and local politician interference and with the Chinese speed this project should take 3 years...but nawezawait 5 years.

Railway is my thing and I wish the gaament can involve me in the design and setting up stages.

I know some of the best diesel locos from Germany which are as reliable as electric locos, the type of locos used in Israel.

ION:Israel being one of the tech-savvy country has no got no single kilometer of electric train; all trains are diesel propelled, in types of powerhouses pulling/pushing the wagos and other are DMU's. I once boarded one from Tel-Aiv to Haifa.


CORD fanatics will derail the project!



How???


So that they have enough fodder to campaign against Jublii!
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timbosho
#50 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 3:55:20 PM
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why is it not shameful for us to go to china and other countries for grants and aid after 50 years of independence? do we not have brains/skills equal to the ones the donor countries have? when will we stand up and make something worthwhile for ourselves? you end up with nothing urself when you are always asking asking and never doing anything for yourself.
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