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Impunity wrote:josimar wrote:The locomotives will also be supplied from China, so the project comes with a full package. I would rather we do German locos than Chinese; RELIABILITY and motive POWER! Ooh come-on the chinese trains as as good as germans why should we pay more?? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Impunity wrote:GGK wrote:
As for mode of operation, the current is locomotive (where the engines pulls all the load from the front). What is proposed is different..... diesel-electric multiple unit (DEMU) where a diesel engine drives an electrical generator or an alternator which produces electrical energy. The generated current is then fed to electric traction motors on the wheels or bogies. this produces trains that gain speed faster and stops fasters
Where is this diesel engine located? Is it located at the front of the whole train or located within selected wagons/coaches? I guess the engines are distributed "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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murchr wrote:Impunity wrote:josimar wrote:The locomotives will also be supplied from China, so the project comes with a full package. I would rather we do German locos than Chinese; RELIABILITY and motive POWER! Ooh come-on the chinese trains as as good as germans why should we pay more?? Uhuru should have got Marklin,Fleischmann,Lima trains not the likes of Foton or whatever from China.
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mawinder wrote:murchr wrote:Impunity wrote:josimar wrote:The locomotives will also be supplied from China, so the project comes with a full package. I would rather we do German locos than Chinese; RELIABILITY and motive POWER! Ooh come-on the chinese trains as as good as germans why should we pay more?? Uhuru should have got Marklin,Fleischmann,Lima trains not the likes of Foton or whatever from China. The person to set up a local plant here should carry the day, imagine if a train is to stop then we're told that an engineer should come from germany "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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ok ok... why the phobia of Chinese products? Chinese are capable of making anything as specified. it's only that merchants from Kenya usually buy cheap to make a kill. "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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The biggest beneficiary in this whole arrangement will be China, we shall pay back the loan + interest, if the locomotives are from China be rest assuared that for the next 10Years we shall be purchasing spares from them. All these money will be going to their economy.
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josimar wrote:The biggest beneficiary in this whole arrangement will be China, we shall pay back the loan + interest, if the locomotives are from China be rest assuared that for the next 10Years we shall be purchasing spares from them. All these money will be going to their economy. @josimar, And the alternative would be? Care to share? Do we tax ourselves for several years to raise the amounts needed? How much would we raise and how much would that hurt the economy? If loans are that bad,why do we take loans from banks? Is it that individual development loans are good but gov't development loans are bad? Bottom line is, if the loan is utilized well, the multiplier effect of an efficient transport system out weighs the financing costs. We don't make spare parts of anything,heck we even import toothpicks. Where else would we be getting spare parts from if not importing. What we should be championing is transparency and accountability.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/13/2006 Posts: 70
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mkeiyd wrote:Allank wrote:Impunity wrote:Will this SGR be constructed along the path of the Lunatic Express or will it take its own course?
Will the Lunatic Gauge be uprooted henceforth or left to rote(spl)? If only the politicians had the taxpayers intrest at heart they should have considered changing the current sleepers from the current one meter gauge to the SGR along the path of the lunatic express. considering KR has alot of idle rail lines all over the country this woould have drastically reduced the cost and duration of the project. That would mean no train services between msa and nai for the entire duration of "changing sleepers". That's before taking into account the structural engineering details. As per Eng.Kamau "RVR had a seven-year concession, and since it started, cargo transported by rail has gone down from 15 per cent to three per cent, we can as well close the railway and run the economy on the road as we change the sleepers. Kama kuoga ni usafi taulo lachafukani?
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josimar wrote: The biggest beneficiary in this whole arrangement will be China, we shall pay back the loan + interest, if the locomotives are from China be rest assuared that for the next 10Years we shall be purchasing spares from them. All these money will be going to their economy. Quote:
@josimar, And the alternative would be? Care to share?
Do we tax ourselves for several years to raise the amounts needed? How much would we raise and how much would that hurt the economy?
If loans are that bad,why do we take loans from banks?
Is it that individual development loans are good but gov't development loans are bad?
Bottom line is, if the loan is utilized well, the multiplier effect of an efficient transport system out weighs the financing costs.
We don't make spare parts of anything,heck we even import toothpicks. Where else would we be getting spare parts from if not importing.
What we should be championing is transparency and accountability.
My point is it is quite expensive to single source.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/13/2006 Posts: 70
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GGK wrote:Impunity wrote:GGK wrote:
As for mode of operation, the current is locomotive (where the engines pulls all the load from the front). What is proposed is different..... diesel-electric multiple unit (DEMU) where a diesel engine drives an electrical generator or an alternator which produces electrical energy. The generated current is then fed to electric traction motors on the wheels or bogies. this produces trains that gain speed faster and stops fasters
Where is this diesel engine located? Is it located at the front of the whole train or located within selected wagons/coaches? I guess the engines are distributed DMU engines are smaller and several are used on a train, depending on the configuration. The diesel engine is often mounted under the car floor and on its side because of the restricted space available. Vibration being transmitted into the passenger saloon has always been a problem but some of the newer designs are very good in this respect. Diesel-electric locomotives come in three varieties, according to the period in which they were designed. These three are: DC - DC (DC generator supplying DC traction motors); AC - DC (AC alternator output rectified to supply DC motors) and AC - DC - AC (AC alternator output rectified to DC and then inverted to 3-phase AC for the traction motors). The DC - DC type has a generator supplying the DC traction motors through a resistance control system, the AC - DC type has an alternator producing AC current which is rectified to DC and then supplied to the DC traction motors and, finally, the most modern has the AC alternator output being rectified to DC and then converted to AC (3-phase) so that it can power the 3-phase AC traction motors. Although this last system might seem the most complex, the gains from using AC motors far outweigh the apparent complexity of the system. In reality, most of the equipment uses solid state power electronics with microprocessor-based controls. Kama kuoga ni usafi taulo lachafukani?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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josimar wrote:
My point is it is quite expensive to single source.
At what rate is the loan being advanced at? Are trains like cars whereby you can just buy spare parts from the many dealers all over the world? When KQ buys Boeing, do they buy spares from just anywhere?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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mkeiyd wrote:josimar wrote:
My point is it is quite expensive to single source.
At what rate is the loan being advanced at? Are trains like cars whereby you can just buy spare parts from the many dealers all over the world? When KQ buys Boeing, do they buy spares from just anywhere? No you can not fix Airbus parts on Boeing. Once you buy from one manufacturer, you are "married" to that one manufacturer "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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murchr wrote:Impunity wrote:josimar wrote:The locomotives will also be supplied from China, so the project comes with a full package. I would rather we do German locos than Chinese; RELIABILITY and motive POWER! Ooh come-on the chinese trains as as good as germans why should we pay more?? Longevity!!!!  Portfolio: Sold
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