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Property Auctions - Making a Killing.
pops
#31 Posted : Friday, June 26, 2009 7:58:00 AM
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hi all since quite a few of u have asked let me explain how this game works. say u r interested in a property with a market value of 5m. u got to the auctioneer and negotiate to 4.7m. the auctioneer will then ask u to pay him 2m upfront which is not recorded in the books or no one will be aware about. the balance of 2.7m is then what u will go nd bid for at the auction. at the auction the auctioneer will make sure that the bid numbers are alloted to his stooges only,so no one will try to out bid u. its all stage managed. u will start bidding at say 2m till u get to 2.7m which is the required figure. the hammer will fall then nd u get the property. people around will feel that u got a bargain at 2.7m,not realising that u have paid 4.7m in total. within the 2m paid to the autioneer,the bank personnel who gives the auctioneer this work gets a cut as well. so every one is happy! think about it with the current demand of property in nairobi who is going to sell a property below its market value? ethical or not i think this system applies to most auctions,so if u want to buy a property go see the auctioneer well before things are advertised in the paper. also note that the auctioneer will be inclined to sell to the person who pays him the most,so make a good offer to him. he will then make sure that the balance bid price will be low.
Kaigangio
#32 Posted : Friday, June 26, 2009 8:20:00 AM
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@ pops,

If I followed all the necessary procedures required by the auctioneers in order for me to participate in the auction,why and how would I be denied the bidding number?


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kanyimwa
#33 Posted : Friday, June 26, 2009 8:35:00 AM
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On the same breath,can someone shed light on what would happen if someone fails to raise the full amount at the fall of the hammer or after the allowed pay period,or someone looses interest in the property after successfully bidding.

@ pops,you want to tell me that I give someone 2M without documentation or formal agreement? In these days and times in Kenya? He is not your kin?

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pops
#34 Posted : Friday, June 26, 2009 8:47:00 AM
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u may be able to get into small repossession auctions easily,but trust me its virtually impossible to get into a property auction for a prime property. u will get all sorts of barriers and excuses like: all the lot numbers have been taken and there is no space,the deposit you have to pay should be by cash,even though they had written bankers cheque in the newspaper advertisement,or u will get told stories in the form of advise of how the property is legal dispute and that u shud avoid it,or the building has alot of structural problems. believe me u if someone wants to stop u from entering an auction there are alot of means available!
Sasha
#35 Posted : Friday, June 26, 2009 1:17:00 PM
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Ok pops. So what happens when as per your example, someone bids 2.8 million? The auctioneer cannot decline that bid! Who's to say that out of the alloted slots someone who can scuttle your plans with the auctioneer will not enter the auction? Too risky if I may say!

@kanyimwa

If the successful bidder cannot raise the cash as required by the auctioneer, if the auction was cash on the fall of the hammer, the second highest bid is accepted. Of course this is left to the discretion of the auctioneer and the outcome can vary. Some auctioneers will use the bid that was unsuccessful as the guideline price and anyone who bids higher wins the bid.



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LimuruBoy
#36 Posted : Friday, June 26, 2009 8:54:00 PM
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@pops,i'm going to take ur advise with a grain of salt. Coz I don't see how u can show up at auctioneers office with other bidders and u have everything they ask for alafu they refuse to give u a bidder number. But u also mentioned prime property auctions being what you're talking about,and they are far too expensive anyway for starters like us here on SK. Even if u won highest bid of a 100million property say in lavi,and u were the highest bidder at 70 million....how would u raise that money??? So prime property auctions per se,is not even worth discussing...maybe in a few more years if we play our cards right.

But the kawa auctions,like Garam auctioneers mentioned above...all they ask for is 10 percent of your highest bid in cash upon the fall of the hammer. ...the rest they give u a few days (i think 30) to clear. This is for kawa ordinary plots/shambas/houses. I think the trick is,u have to have money set aside for sure to come court battles.

@Sasha,I need a car when i come home in Nov...and i want to buy from the auctions like your bros do. Do u know if they give the log book as soon as u pay? 2ndly pliz advise with specific auctioneers u know that are good (their websites if possible). Thanx.





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kii
#37 Posted : Saturday, June 27, 2009 8:20:00 AM
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Forgive my ignorance on this issue but don,t you think that if auction prices are that low the owners of the same property being auctioned would but the same property say using a proxy.

gtiinc
pops
#38 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:09:00 AM
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to all my doubters: try going for a auction of a prime property like a shamba or plot on thika road or limuru road,it will be interesting to see how many of you manage to get in,even if you have followed all the procedures. then let me know your views of auctions and how they work!
Pablo
#39 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:55:00 AM
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A point of correction Garam asks for 25% at the fall not 10% for properties.


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#40 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:15:00 PM
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capitalism teaches buy low sell high

I would go for it without a blink


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