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The 1982 coup
Lolest!
#91 Posted : Sunday, August 04, 2013 11:56:58 AM
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@all in the know. We 'kefake shudren' seek info...info hidden from us by KIE. Give us the books where this info is. Or links of articles with the truth. We will appreciate. Thanks to all who have been kind to tell us what they know.
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Mastermind
#92 Posted : Sunday, August 04, 2013 1:31:21 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
@all in the know. We 'kefake shudren' seek info...info hidden from us by KIE. Give us the books where this info is. Or links of articles with the truth. We will appreciate. Thanks to all who have been kind to tell us what they know.

http://mobile.nation.co..../-/1382dyl/-/index.html
Page one has it all. Moi didn't want the coup planners to be arrested not because the matter could be dealt with internally but simply because he wanted the coup to go on as planned. The question is why?? With the little analytical skills which we gained in 2009 from reading Utegano and An enemy of the people your analysis won't be far from the truth.
If you have built castles in the air, your work need not be lost; that is where they should be. Now put the foundations under them.
tycho
#93 Posted : Sunday, August 04, 2013 2:11:36 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
@all in the know. We 'kefake shudren' seek info...info hidden from us by KIE. Give us the books where this info is. Or links of articles with the truth. We will appreciate. Thanks to all who have been kind to tell us what they know.


History, can't be written in 'plain English' or plain language, to be precise. This is because politics is never conducted in plain language. All political expression is an invitation to interpretation of not just past events, but also present ones. It's the expression of a world view, and world views can hardly pass the 'plain language' test. To this effect I call all political and historical documents as evidence.

Consequently, there's always a part of history that remains unwritten, and undiscovered. Therefore, in judging the truth of historical assertion, one is constrained by the demands of natural law and justice, and the dictates of universal 'brotherhood'. History is about atonement. Look at all the Empires, and you'll see this trend.

Thus in being given events and their dates, one is called to infer relationships, and motives, and their relations to the above constraints. History necessarily entails the coining of Knowledge.

I'd be disappointed if, this thread, and any Wazuan thread was limited to quotes and citations as the standards of truth. For then we'd merely be paying homage to falsehood and death.

The multiplicity of voice and perception and ease of communication should enable us to write history together.


Mukiri
#94 Posted : Sunday, August 04, 2013 9:45:55 PM
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What I'd like to know is why things in this country seemed to go wrong.. from what I and many 'shudren' gathered to have been brought about by the coup.

There was Nyayo this and Nyayo that, the guy was all over physically putting up gabions.. we even had a Kenyan car! Pioneer something. Now, if he was in the know, and from what I gather from the replies in this thread, wanted to play politics/games and 'finish' his enemies.. Why then, and after achieving what he wanted, did the economy and way of life go down the drain?

Did the whole ndlama make him eccentric? And how so if he was on the know?

Proverbs 19:21
simonkabz
#95 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2013 12:48:43 AM
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tycho wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
@all in the know. We 'kefake shudren' seek info...info hidden from us by KIE. Give us the books where this info is. Or links of articles with the truth. We will appreciate. Thanks to all who have been kind to tell us what they know.


History, can't be written in 'plain English' or plain language, to be precise. This is because politics is never conducted in plain language. All political expression is an invitation to interpretation of not just past events, but also present ones. It's the expression of a world view, and world views can hardly pass the 'plain language' test. To this effect I call all political and historical documents as evidence.

Consequently, there's always a part of history that remains unwritten, and undiscovered. Therefore, in judging the truth of historical assertion, one is constrained by the demands of natural law and justice, and the dictates of universal 'brotherhood'. History is about atonement. Look at all the Empires, and you'll see this trend.

Thus in being given events and their dates, one is called to infer relationships, and motives, and their relations to the above constraints. History necessarily entails the coining of Knowledge.

I'd be disappointed if, this thread, and any Wazuan thread was limited to quotes and citations as the standards of truth. For then we'd merely be paying homage to falsehood and death.

The multiplicity of voice and perception and ease of communication should enable us to write history together.




lol! sycho ebu conclude what you just said in 2 sentences. Kuumwa na kishwa nayo!
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
tycho
#96 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2013 6:36:01 AM
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simonkabz wrote:
tycho wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
@all in the know. We 'kefake shudren' seek info...info hidden from us by KIE. Give us the books where this info is. Or links of articles with the truth. We will appreciate. Thanks to all who have been kind to tell us what they know.


History, can't be written in 'plain English' or plain language, to be precise. This is because politics is never conducted in plain language. All political expression is an invitation to interpretation of not just past events, but also present ones. It's the expression of a world view, and world views can hardly pass the 'plain language' test. To this effect I call all political and historical documents as evidence.

Consequently, there's always a part of history that remains unwritten, and undiscovered. Therefore, in judging the truth of historical assertion, one is constrained by the demands of natural law and justice, and the dictates of universal 'brotherhood'. History is about atonement. Look at all the Empires, and you'll see this trend.

Thus in being given events and their dates, one is called to infer relationships, and motives, and their relations to the above constraints. History necessarily entails the coining of Knowledge.

I'd be disappointed if, this thread, and any Wazuan thread was limited to quotes and citations as the standards of truth. For then we'd merely be paying homage to falsehood and death.

The multiplicity of voice and perception and ease of communication should enable us to write history together.




lol! sycho ebu conclude what you just said in 2 sentences. Kuumwa na kishwa nayo!


Let me do it in 3.

1. Politics and history are always mythical

2. History is always being written

3. Now, thanks to technology, history can be written in collaboration and en mass.

Lolest!
#97 Posted : Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:15:24 AM
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@ tycho, agreed. Especially with point 3. History is always being written. Usually those in authority/those who shout loudest or at times those who appear right get their version recognised as the authentic one. Nonetheless, we are better off having different versions.
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simonkabz
#98 Posted : Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:18:53 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
@ tycho, agreed. Especially with point 3. History is always being written. Usually those in authority/those who shout loudest or at times those who appear right get their version recognised as the authentic one. Nonetheless, we are better off having different versions.


Sasa ata wewe umekuwa recruited na tycho? Hii wazua itakuwa ni kuwaza tu.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Lolest!
#99 Posted : Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:32:55 AM
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No @kabz. Hiyo ya kina tycho leave it to him @chessmaster and wazua admin. But he has a point. History is rarely without dispute. The Maumau were heroes and freedom fighters to some. To others, they were terrorists who contributed to suffering of their people. Imagine a book written about Raila by mcreggae. Now imagine if you wrote it. History depends on the historian. The 2 books would be very different. Which is why some here say they have facts but cant discuss them. They're still creating history and don't have all the details.
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mawinder
#100 Posted : Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:57:38 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
No @kabz. Hiyo ya kina tycho leave it to him @chessmaster and wazua admin. But he has a point. History is rarely without dispute. The Maumau were heroes and freedom fighters to some. To others, they were terrorists who contributed to suffering of their people. Imagine a book written about Raila by mcreggae. Now imagine if you wrote it. History depends on the historian. The 2 books would be very different. Which is why some here say they have facts but cant discuss them. They're still creating history and don't have all the details.

How would it be?
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