Wazua
»
Club SK
»
Politics
»
world's inequality
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
|
Abstract plus vangi is a very lethal concotion!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
|
|
|
Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
|
I recommend the "Gospel of Wealth" by Andrew Carnegie to understand that you can't change the "poverty mindset" in a person.
If you took kshs 1 million gave to the three people rich man, a middle class and a poor person and come back after a year you will most probably find that:-
The rich man will have grown richer from the 1 million
The middle class guy will buy fancy furniture, repaint his house and will use the 1 million to remain middle class
The poor man will probably drink and party away the 1 million and will still be poor
|
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 5/8/2007 Posts: 709
|
mkonomtupu wrote:I recommend the "Gospel of Wealth" by Andrew Carnegie to understand that you can't change the "poverty mindset" in a person.
If you took kshs 1 million gave to the three people rich man, a middle class and a poor person and come back after a year you will most probably find that:-
The rich man will have grown richer from the 1 million
The middle class guy will buy fancy furniture, repaint his house and will use the 1 million to remain middle class
The poor man will probably drink and party away the 1 million and will still be poor interesting.. another important aspect is that this world is flat..it doesnt owe you or me a living.
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
|
mkonomtupu wrote:I recommend the "Gospel of Wealth" by Andrew Carnegie to understand that you can't change the "poverty mindset" in a person.
If you took kshs 1 million gave to the three people rich man, a middle class and a poor person and come back after a year you will most probably find that:-
The rich man will have grown richer from the 1 million
The middle class guy will buy fancy furniture, repaint his house and will use the 1 million to remain middle class
The poor man will probably drink and party away the 1 million and will still be poor ah... a book written by the top 300 people about the bottom 3 billion. The point of this conversation is simple. This inequality is not sustainable not in today's world (forget the world Andrew wrote in). Rich people require the good will of the poor to survive! the best society is actually a society where the least in society live dignified lives and thus don't bother with the rich. The rich can jog in the streets and not be harmed. I put it to you that its in the interest of the rich to actually share wealth as the laws they exploit and that protect them are simply social contracts with the masses. When push comes to shove in an unequal society when the masses ask "what's in it for me?" the rich will quote all the laws they want but they will fall on deaf years. Were there no laws in Russia when the Tsar's wealth was close to $230 billion in today's currency? when people breached the palace walls the House of Romanov fell pap! The aristocrats of France also felt the wrath of the poor masses during the reign of terror (check out this painting of the masses with heads of the aristocrats on pikes)  my point is - a society where poverty is rife is not beneficial to the rich. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
|
|
|
Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
|
masukuma wrote:mkonomtupu wrote:I recommend the "Gospel of Wealth" by Andrew Carnegie to understand that you can't change the "poverty mindset" in a person.
If you took kshs 1 million gave to the three people rich man, a middle class and a poor person and come back after a year you will most probably find that:-
The rich man will have grown richer from the 1 million
The middle class guy will buy fancy furniture, repaint his house and will use the 1 million to remain middle class
The poor man will probably drink and party away the 1 million and will still be poor ah... a book written by the top 300 people about the bottom 3 billion. The point of this conversation is simple. This inequality is not sustainable not in today's world (forget the world Andrew wrote in). Rich people require the good will of the poor to survive! the best society is actually a society where the least in society live dignified lives and thus don't bother with the rich. The rich can jog in the streets and not be harmed. I put it to you that its in the interest of the rich to actually share wealth as the laws they exploit and that protect them are simply social contracts with the masses. When push comes to shove in an unequal society when the masses ask "what's in it for me?" the rich will quote all the laws they want but they will fall on deaf years. Were there no laws in Russia when the Tsar's wealth was close to $230 billion in today's currency? when people breached the palace walls the House of Romanov fell pap! The aristocrats of France also felt the wrath of the poor masses during the reign of terror (check out this painting of the masses with heads of the aristocrats on pikes) my point is - a society where poverty is rife is not beneficial to the rich. @masukuma the doctrine you are advancing is what the chinese used to have "animosity towards the rich/better-off". Chairman Mao made everyone poor and 1948 all the chinese were equal poor and starving. It's only when they abandoned this silly doctrine and encouraged entrepreneurship that their economy grew and lifted even the poor to a better standard of living. Actually Carnegie says in his essay that the government should be able to tax away a person's wealth upon his death and re-distribute to avoid selfish accumulation
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
|
McReggae wrote:Abstract plus vangi is a very lethal concotion!!! Hehehe! I understand your sentiments.
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
|
Impunity wrote:tycho wrote:McReggae wrote:tycho wrote:McReggae wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:dunkang wrote:The statistics are shocking, but what can you do.
At the start of July 2013, a USA embassy IT employee, Mr. Joshua Walde, killed a Kenyan man, Mr. Haji Lihanda, who was in a matatu (Nissan) travelling from work along Ngechu Rd, Nairobi. To my surprise, 3 days later, Mr. Walde was flown out of the country by the US embassy using a fake name & passport, just to avoid giving justice to the poor Lihanda family.
Scream as much as you want about injustices, marginalization, inequality and revolution, but to tell you the truth, MUTASEMA, MUTACHOKA KISHA MUKALALE! history is not done yet - the pen that writes history is not out of ink! history is being written everyday! History writes itself. Sankara is a Marionette. We all are. everything major change requires a critical mass to make this changed - we don't have it...YET! information and the flow of information is the one thing that will turn this around... when - i don't know. Can we start with the local inequality before we get to the world stage??? The local is global, and vice versa. Kawaida yako umeanza vangi!!!! Haiya! Lol. I'll give an illustration. The global trend is that of 'market maximization'. What is the solution to our local situation? 'Markets'. The market is the grand Unifier. Even more vangi!!! I believe by 2030 most will be taking it. Even its digital version!!!!
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
|
mkonomtupu wrote:masukuma wrote:mkonomtupu wrote:I recommend the "Gospel of Wealth" by Andrew Carnegie to understand that you can't change the "poverty mindset" in a person.
If you took kshs 1 million gave to the three people rich man, a middle class and a poor person and come back after a year you will most probably find that:-
The rich man will have grown richer from the 1 million
The middle class guy will buy fancy furniture, repaint his house and will use the 1 million to remain middle class
The poor man will probably drink and party away the 1 million and will still be poor ah... a book written by the top 300 people about the bottom 3 billion. The point of this conversation is simple. This inequality is not sustainable not in today's world (forget the world Andrew wrote in). Rich people require the good will of the poor to survive! the best society is actually a society where the least in society live dignified lives and thus don't bother with the rich. The rich can jog in the streets and not be harmed. I put it to you that its in the interest of the rich to actually share wealth as the laws they exploit and that protect them are simply social contracts with the masses. When push comes to shove in an unequal society when the masses ask "what's in it for me?" the rich will quote all the laws they want but they will fall on deaf years. Were there no laws in Russia when the Tsar's wealth was close to $230 billion in today's currency? when people breached the palace walls the House of Romanov fell pap! The aristocrats of France also felt the wrath of the poor masses during the reign of terror (check out this painting of the masses with heads of the aristocrats on pikes) my point is - a society where poverty is rife is not beneficial to the rich. @masukuma the doctrine you are advancing is what the chinese used to have "animosity towards the rich/better-off". Chairman Mao made everyone poor and 1948 all the chinese were equal poor and starving. It's only when they abandoned this silly doctrine and encouraged entrepreneurship that their economy grew and lifted even the poor to a better standard of living. Actually Carnegie says in his essay that the government should be able to tax away a person's wealth upon his death and re-distribute to avoid selfish accumulation you are missing my point! Quote:a society where poverty is rife is not beneficial to the rich. I am not saying everyone becomes equally poor coz that is the worst state of a country! I am saying in an "equal" society (where the people at the bottom are not in poverty) the rich benefit. how one "equalizes" a society is dependent on the countries. the Nordic countries did it via taxation while japan did not. Middle eastern countries via oil wealth sharing. the point is - make sure that you set a standard for the least of your people and reap the benefits. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
|
|
|
Rank: New-farer Joined: 6/12/2013 Posts: 69
|
Thomas Aquinas writes in Summa Theologiae: Question 94, the natural law 'whether natural law can be changed' article 5, reply to objection 3. Quote:'..the possession of all things in common and universal freedom are said to be of the natural law because, to wit, the distinction of possessions and slavery were not brought in by nature, but devised by human reason for the benefit of human life. Just for Mukiri.
|
|
|
Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
|
masukuma wrote:McReggae wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:dunkang wrote:The statistics are shocking, but what can you do.
At the start of July 2013, a USA embassy IT employee, Mr. Joshua Walde, killed a Kenyan man, Mr. Haji Lihanda, who was in a matatu (Nissan) travelling from work along Ngechu Rd, Nairobi. To my surprise, 3 days later, Mr. Walde was flown out of the country by the US embassy using a fake name & passport, just to avoid giving justice to the poor Lihanda family.
Scream as much as you want about injustices, marginalization, inequality and revolution, but to tell you the truth, MUTASEMA, MUTACHOKA KISHA MUKALALE! history is not done yet - the pen that writes history is not out of ink! history is being written everyday! History writes itself. Sankara is a Marionette. We all are. everything major change requires a critical mass to make this changed - we don't have it...YET! information and the flow of information is the one thing that will turn this around... when - i don't know. Can we start with the local inequality before we get to the world stage??? this is my take - the cake we are fighting for is so small... mbaka its sad. kenya's GDP per capita is $808 per year (about 70k per person per year i.e. 5k per month) <-- this is assuming all our GDP is divided equally. so sorting out our local inequalities (which need to be sorted out by using our 'common wealth') will still not get us where we need to be. HOWEVER we need to do it - its the starting point! The reason this sensitization is important now is because Kenya will get some windfall in the next 10 years in the form of money from oil and coal. an awareness needs to be created so that the effect of this 'common wealth' is felt by everyone. This is communism period locally known as 'social democracy' I may be wrong..but then I could be right
|
|
|
Wazua
»
Club SK
»
Politics
»
world's inequality
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.
|