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Is UK's Government Blind and Deaf?
xyzee
#141 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:25:39 PM
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Joined: 1/9/2009
Posts: 1,262
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
xyzee wrote:
DP jet acquired following executive order.


rINK PLEASE!
Sad


This is what you meant...

An officer from the Auditor General's office Dennis Kariuki today told the Parliamentary Committee on Finance that the airplane that Ruto took on a joy ride was hired based on an executive order by Uhuru Kenyatta. He further confirmed that documents relating to the transaction have gone missing...
And the order cannot be traced,two voucher's are missing,the registrar of companies has refused to give the real owner's of the company and the directors have refused to talk to them.


This is what I meant.....
InnovateGuy
#142 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:25:47 PM
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Joined: 11/15/2012
Posts: 1,110
Jus Blazin wrote:
samsa wrote:
jguru wrote:
newfarer wrote:

a dialysis machine costs 102 million. patients wait for months to get treatment at Kenyatta hospital because the obsolete machines available are always down.do you see anything to celebrate when these fellow Kenyans are suffering?
boost supermarket butcheries with my tax.ABK.

and the small Matter of IDPs most of who voted for JUBILEE in the hope that they can return to their shambas or get compensation? na hii baridi yote in camps?


Slight correction.

A Fresenius, Braun, Baxter or Nikisso dialysis machine costs approximately USD 35000 i.e. 3 million.

Consumables, water, electricity and nursing costs an average of Ksh4500 per dialysis session per patient.

Some kidney patients at KNH have taken KNH to court over provision of dialysis services at KNH.

It's a very sad situation what these patients go through.

Sad


When did these machines break down? Why have they never been addressed? Why remind us of it now?
Why cant we hold those who never attended it accountable? has it been brought to the government and the same government returned it 'unpaid'?

I was going to ask the same. It's the responsibility of the accounting officer (KNH CEO) to seek funding from the government. We may berate government's expenditure, rightfully so, but even the bible says ask and it will be given unto you, seek and you'll find, knock and the door will be open unto you. We should put the CEO to task about that.

Now, I'm not in support of the extravagant spending. It's too much. As in very much. But if it happens, lets look at it from another angle. Government spends sh2.5B to do the celebrations. Companies will be paid and will definitely have made profits. That profit will be taxed. Anything they buy will already be taxed. Through that, the government will recoup some of the moneys paid out, making the net expense lower than the sh2.5B. Just saying.


This is warped. What the Kenyan SME's require is not government contracts. They need a favorable working environment to expand their market share within and beyond the borders. This comes in the form of cheap energy, less bureaucracy, no corruption, good roads etc. The government does not have to hold extravagant bashes to stimulate growth of business.
Live Full Die Empty - Les Brown.
maka
#143 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:30:09 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
Rollout wrote:
InnovateGuy wrote:
Rollout wrote:
Over 51% of Kenyans are dumb, I mean downright stupid and these 51+% cut across the entire population regardless of Education level, Party affiliation,and even tribal origin.

The reason why some of us here find it hard to understand why people would defend certain action is because we're just out of touch with average Kenyan.


Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you

This was uncalled for Mr. "Smart". There are civil ways of putting your point across without insulting other people.

I had to check your rank again. Thank God you are a 'user.'


How can you call someone stupid in a nice way? give me the right word and I will use it


brainless, dazed, deficient, dense,
dim, doltish, dopey, dull, dumb,
dummy*, foolish, futile, gullible, half-
baked, half-witted, idiotic, ill-advised,
imbecilic, inane, indiscreet, insensate,
irrelevant, laughable, loser*, ludicrous,
meaningless, mindless, moronic,
naive, nonsensical, obtuse, out to
lunch, pointless, puerile, rash,
senseless, shortsighted, simple,
simpleminded, slow, sluggish, stolid,
stupefied, thick, thick-headed, trivial,
unintelligent, unthinking, witless

All those are kinda nice depends on the degree....
possunt quia posse videntur
murchr
#144 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:33:52 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Jus Blazin wrote:
samsa wrote:
jguru wrote:
newfarer wrote:

a dialysis machine costs 102 million. patients wait for months to get treatment at Kenyatta hospital because the obsolete machines available are always down.do you see anything to celebrate when these fellow Kenyans are suffering?
boost supermarket butcheries with my tax.ABK.

and the small Matter of IDPs most of who voted for JUBILEE in the hope that they can return to their shambas or get compensation? na hii baridi yote in camps?


Slight correction.

A Fresenius, Braun, Baxter or Nikisso dialysis machine costs approximately USD 35000 i.e. 3 million.

Consumables, water, electricity and nursing costs an average of Ksh4500 per dialysis session per patient.

Some kidney patients at KNH have taken KNH to court over provision of dialysis services at KNH.

It's a very sad situation what these patients go through.

Sad


When did these machines break down? Why have they never been addressed? Why remind us of it now?
Why cant we hold those who never attended it accountable? has it been brought to the government and the same government returned it 'unpaid'?

I was going to ask the same. It's the responsibility of the accounting officer (KNH CEO) to seek funding from the government. We may berate government's expenditure, rightfully so, but even the bible says ask and it will be given unto you, seek and you'll find, knock and the door will be open unto you. We should put the CEO to task about that.

Now, I'm not in support of the extravagant spending. It's too much. As in very much. But if it happens, lets look at it from another angle. Government spends sh2.5B to do the celebrations. Companies will be paid and will definitely have made profits. That profit will be taxed. Anything they buy will already be taxed. Through that, the government will recoup some of the moneys paid out, making the net expense lower than the sh2.5B. Just saying.


@Jguru, and @Rankaz13 and all the docs here. Please note I am not accusing anyone.

Is it true that some of these gov equipment and meds are stolen from public hospitals and dispensaries and end up in personal clinics/practices/pharmacies etc?

If u've worked in govt hospitals (level 5s) Is it true that these hospitals were supplied/well furnished with equipment but there were no docs to operate them the,so they started disappearing or rather they were transferred to God knows where?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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McReggae
#145 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:40:04 PM
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Joined: 6/17/2008
Posts: 23,365
Location: Nairobi
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly @JB you are good at trying but please good friend don't go in that direction......it hurts many, let's not accepct that a few can be allowed to still!!!.....I just forgot my real responce to this DAMN!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
simonkabz
#146 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:54:07 PM
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Joined: 3/2/2007
Posts: 8,776
Location: Cameroon
Rollout wrote:
Over 51% of Kenyans are dumb, I mean downright stupid and these 51+% cut across the entire population regardless of Education level, Party affiliation,and even tribal origin.

The reason why some of us here find it hard to understand why people would defend certain action is because we're just out of touch with average Kenyan.


You are way out of touch to understand anything happening in this country, and you never will, Mr Makau Mutua.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Jus Blazin
#147 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 11:05:37 PM
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Joined: 10/23/2008
Posts: 3,966
McReggae wrote:
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly @JB you are good at trying but please good friend don't go in that direction......it hurts many, let's not accepct that a few can be allowed to still!!!.....I just forgot my real responce to this DAMN!!!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Sasa mafuta ikimwagika, si watu huikimbilia hata kama watachomeka?
Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Rollout
#148 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 11:26:36 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 4/26/2011
Posts: 759
simonkabz wrote:
Rollout wrote:
Over 51% of Kenyans are dumb, I mean downright stupid and these 51+% cut across the entire population regardless of Education level, Party affiliation,and even tribal origin.

The reason why some of us here find it hard to understand why people would defend certain action is because we're just out of touch with average Kenyan.


You are way out of touch to understand anything happening in this country, and you never will, Mr Makau Mutua.


I think I said that, I agree completely, I am way out of touch to understand anything happening in Kenya.
Justice League
#149 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 1:49:40 AM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 7/22/2013
Posts: 31
Jus Blazin wrote:
samsa wrote:
jguru wrote:
newfarer wrote:

a dialysis machine costs 102 million. patients wait for months to get treatment at Kenyatta hospital because the obsolete machines available are always down.do you see anything to celebrate when these fellow Kenyans are suffering?
boost supermarket butcheries with my tax.ABK.

and the small Matter of IDPs most of who voted for JUBILEE in the hope that they can return to their shambas or get compensation? na hii baridi yote in camps?


Slight correction.

A Fresenius, Braun, Baxter or Nikisso dialysis machine costs approximately USD 35000 i.e. 3 million.

Consumables, water, electricity and nursing costs an average of Ksh4500 per dialysis session per patient.

Some kidney patients at KNH have taken KNH to court over provision of dialysis services at KNH.

It's a very sad situation what these patients go through.

Sad


When did these machines break down? Why have they never been addressed? Why remind us of it now?
Why cant we hold those who never attended it accountable? has it been brought to the government and the same government returned it 'unpaid'?

I was going to ask the same. It's the responsibility of the accounting officer (KNH CEO) to seek funding from the government. We may berate government's expenditure, rightfully so, but even the bible says ask and it will be given unto you, seek and you'll find, knock and the door will be open unto you. We should put the CEO to task about that.

Now, I'm not in support of the extravagant spending. It's too much. As in very much. But if it happens, lets look at it from another angle. Government spends sh2.5B to do the celebrations. Companies will be paid and will definitely have made profits. That profit will be taxed. Anything they buy will already be taxed. Through that, the government will recoup some of the moneys paid out, making the net expense lower than the sh2.5B. Just saying.


Clearly, the Jubilee apologists have refused to see the obvious. I can't believe someone can make this kind of argument supporting the wastage of public funds.

Using your logic, should we allow corruption to continue unabated since its beneficiaries invest money within Kenya?
Rankaz13
#150 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:55:26 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 5/21/2013
Posts: 2,841
Location: Here
murchr wrote:
Jus Blazin wrote:
samsa wrote:
jguru wrote:
newfarer wrote:

a dialysis machine costs 102 million. patients wait for months to get treatment at Kenyatta hospital because the obsolete machines available are always down.do you see anything to celebrate when these fellow Kenyans are suffering?
boost supermarket butcheries with my tax.ABK.

and the small Matter of IDPs most of who voted for JUBILEE in the hope that they can return to their shambas or get compensation? na hii baridi yote in camps?


Slight correction.

A Fresenius, Braun, Baxter or Nikisso dialysis machine costs approximately USD 35000 i.e. 3 million.

Consumables, water, electricity and nursing costs an average of Ksh4500 per dialysis session per patient.

Some kidney patients at KNH have taken KNH to court over provision of dialysis services at KNH.

It's a very sad situation what these patients go through.

Sad


When did these machines break down? Why have they never been addressed? Why remind us of it now?
Why cant we hold those who never attended it accountable? has it been brought to the government and the same government returned it 'unpaid'?

I was going to ask the same. It's the responsibility of the accounting officer (KNH CEO) to seek funding from the government. We may berate government's expenditure, rightfully so, but even the bible says ask and it will be given unto you, seek and you'll find, knock and the door will be open unto you. We should put the CEO to task about that.

Now, I'm not in support of the extravagant spending. It's too much. As in very much. But if it happens, lets look at it from another angle. Government spends sh2.5B to do the celebrations. Companies will be paid and will definitely have made profits. That profit will be taxed. Anything they buy will already be taxed. Through that, the government will recoup some of the moneys paid out, making the net expense lower than the sh2.5B. Just saying.


@Jguru, and @Rankaz13 and all the docs here. Please note I am not accusing anyone.

Is it true that some of these gov equipment and meds are stolen from public hospitals and dispensaries and end up in personal clinics/practices/pharmacies etc?

If u've worked in govt hospitals (level 5s) Is it true that these hospitals were supplied/well furnished with equipment but there were no docs to operate them the,so they started disappearing or rather they were transferred to God knows where?


Such pilferage may indeed have happened in the past, I recal stories of antiTB medications disappearing to some of our neighboring countries especially back when they themselves didn't offer free/subsidized HIV & TB treatment. However, over time, stringent accountability measures have been put in place and are thoroughly enforced so that this is now no longer an issue. The Pharmacy & Poisons Board has officers on the ground who carry out surveillance on the same.

As for equipment, nowadays the most likely scenario you'll find is equipment lying idle in the store because there're no technicians trained to operate the same. I still recall the sad story of a hospital that had a brand new mammogram machine lying in store because there were no staff to operate the same.

When you hear people talk of shortage if HCWs, it's important to actually note that the shortage is at all levels/cadres, not just doctors. There's a biting shortage of especially nurses, lab technologists, anesthetists (usually C.Os), laboratory technologists, biomedical technologists, nutritionists, etc all of whom are really important in creating an effective healthcare team. So much so that even when the doctor is there and ready to work, the absence of some of these core members renders him/her unable to perform her core duty, that of saving lives. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any concerted effort in officialdom to address this shortage.

On the issue of dialysis machines, it's truly sad when a patient has to travel from Mandera to KNH for dialysis. Given the cost of outright purchase and operating such machines, how difficult is it really for the same to be provided to Mandera district hospital for instance? I keep asking, what really is the value of a Kenyan in present day? Why, why, why do our people have to continue suffering so much in such a country as rich as ours? Some of the things I've seen around this country are enough to put a grown man to tears, unfortunately. People keep suffering and dying all because we couldn't be bothered to equip their local hospitals so that they can access service as, if and when they need it. By the way, the patient requiring dialysis will most obviously have renal failure. If you investigate further, you'll probably find that whatever caused the renal failure initially was something treatable but since the health facility was so far away or was not adequately staffed and equipped, coupled with prohibitive cost of accessing alternative private health care, the problem is let to fester. And at a time he needs us most, it turns out hata dialysis machine hakuna. Seriously? HCWs are only human, and I can tel you it is painful to look at another Kenyan in the eyes, see the pain in their eyes, and tell them there's nothing more you can do for them. Not because one is inept, but simply because the facilities at their disposal are so woefully inadequate. Not easy i tell you.

Hii maneno ya classification eti sijui level 4, 5, sijui nini is honestly inconsequential to a large extent. When you are sick, you expect quality service at whatever facility you check in to regardless of those levels. How is it that private hospitals have better equipment than the gov't? Kwani wana pesa nyingi kuliko serikali? Seriously? I ask again, what really is the value of a Kenyan life? How many more must suffer before we can collectively say ENOUGH, and call our gov't to account? How is Zambia able to pay its doctors several times more than what the Kenyan gov't pays its own? Malawi? Is anybody listening? Does anyone even care?
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