wazua Sat, Jul 4, 2026
Welcome Guest Search | Active Topics | Log In

4 Pages<1234>
Doctors' Devolution Crisis
Shak
#11 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:17:06 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/22/2009
Posts: 2,449
Location: Africa
captain kirk wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Doctors are threatening to go on strike over the issue of their payroll being devolved to the counties.

My question is, what is the problem with that? Health is one of the devolved functions and will now be handled at county level. Donge! So shida iko wapi?

What is it that Doctors want? I want to understand their stand and and their argument before I start casting stones. Nauliza nielimishwe.

A civil servant's payslip is usually posted on the ghris before salary checks into the bank accounts. Today is 30th July yet no payslip has been posted for health staff. The transitional authority stated categorically that the counties would be given 6 months to put their structures in place so they can handle salaries. Other ministries whose functions have been devolved have been paid already. If you were in the shoes of the aforementioned, would you continue working comfortably? Doctors are not against devolution, they feel it should be done gradually. Comprende?

It's not just doctors who've been affected other staff from devolved ministries are also in a state of uncertainty
nakujua
#12 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:24:33 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/17/2009
Posts: 3,583
Location: Kenya
The governors are making noise all over that the central government is holding back on devolving functions to them, sasa if they can not pay salaries how much more devolution do they want
Mpenzi
#13 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:58:43 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 10/17/2008
Posts: 1,234
Why are these Governors etc trying to overreach and take up functions that they have no capacity to perform? Please see the following provisions of the Constitution:

Part 3—Functions and powers of county governments


186. (1) Except as otherwise provided by this Constitution, the
functions and powers of the national government and the
county governments, respectively, are as set out in the Fourth
Schedule.
(2) A function or power that is conferred on more than one level
of government is a function or power within the concurrent
jurisdiction of each of those levels of government.
(3) A function or power not assigned by this Constitution or
national legislation to a county is a function or power of the
national government.
(4) For greater certainty, Parliament may legislate for the
Republic on any matter.

Transfer of functions and powers between levels of government

187. (1) A function or power of government at one level may be
transferred to a government at the other level by agreement
between the governments if—
(a) the function or power would be more effectively
performed or exercised by the receiving government;
and
(b) the transfer of the function or power is not prohibited by
the legislation under which it is to be performed or
exercised.
(2) If a function or power is transferred from a government at one
level to a government at the other level—
(a) arrangements shall be put in place to ensure that the
resources necessary for the performance of the function
or exercise of the power are transferred; and
(b) constitutional responsibility for the performance of the
function or exercise of the power shall remain with the
government to which it is assigned by the Fourth
Schedule.
Justice League
#14 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 11:05:15 AM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 7/22/2013
Posts: 31
FYI it's not just the doctors who are affected by this: nurses, lab technologists, records clerks and mortuary attendants are facing the same problem.

I am with the doctors on this one. They have worked for the month of July and the government is refusing to pay them, saying it is the responsibility of the counties.

Yet if you look at it, all health workers in the Ministry of Health were appointed by the central govt. This means that the MoH is responsible for payiing the health workers until such a time when the counties are in a position to process their pay.

Lastly, I think it was a big mistake not to include the Health Services Commission in the constitution. If we'd done so, these problems wouldn't be cropping up. Healthcare is a matter of life and death.
Kusadikika
#15 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 3:46:36 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/22/2008
Posts: 2,723
Thanks all for the information. I have other questions. Are there going to be County Ministries of Health that will handle healthcare? If so what is the work of the national Cabinet secretary for health? When a doctor graduates will he/she seek employment at the county of his/her choice? Will they also be paid differently? Can counties impose charges on their hospital services?
Siringi
#16 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 3:49:51 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/8/2013
Posts: 2,517
Burning Spear wrote:
I think everyone including the govt is taking the health services sector lightly and as joke and only a strike will solve this issue. The devolved county govts are presently unable to pay the kanju workers on time, daktari ndio wataweza.....

There should have been a Health Services Commission protected in the constitution in the first place, just like Police and Teachers.



I imagine how long it takes one to be a Doctor halafu you are posted to Coast General (Level 5 Whatever) halafu at the end of the Moon Governor Joho cannot raise the Cheddar for your pay alonside county council worker!!!Sickamp;

Hebu tuheshimiane
"😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
Impunity
#17 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:00:39 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,335
Location: Masada
Siringi wrote:
Burning Spear wrote:
I think everyone including the govt is taking the health services sector lightly and as joke and only a strike will solve this issue. The devolved county govts are presently unable to pay the kanju workers on time, daktari ndio wataweza.....

There should have been a Health Services Commission protected in the constitution in the first place, just like Police and Teachers.



I imagine how long it takes one to be a Doctor halafu you are posted to Coast General (Level 5 Whatever) halafu at the end of the Moon Governor Joho cannot raise the Cheddar for your pay alonside county council worker!!!Sickamp;

Hebu tuheshimiane


Sad Sad Sad
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

Tebes
#18 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 6:25:29 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 11/26/2008
Posts: 2,097
Impunity wrote:
Siringi wrote:
Burning Spear wrote:
I think everyone including the govt is taking the health services sector lightly and as joke and only a strike will solve this issue. The devolved county govts are presently unable to pay the kanju workers on time, daktari ndio wataweza.....

There should have been a Health Services Commission protected in the constitution in the first place, just like Police and Teachers.



I imagine how long it takes one to be a Doctor halafu you are posted to Coast General (Level 5 Whatever) halafu at the end of the Moon Governor Joho cannot raise the Cheddar for your pay alonside county council worker!!!Sickamp;

Hebu tuheshimiane


Sad Sad Sad


God forbid! So we will soon be treated by doctors who have not been paid 3 months salaries, will we see them demonstrate along with garbage collectors at Mwembe Tayari???

A Health Services Commission to deal with appointment, discipline and promotion of health workers should be formed to save on all this crap. Sad Sad Sad
"Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
simonkabz
#19 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 6:39:08 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/2/2007
Posts: 8,776
Location: Cameroon
Noisy Kenyans. The Govt pays late in July. All workers.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Rankaz13
#20 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:45:28 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 5/21/2013
Posts: 2,841
Location: Here
When the central gov't says they're devolving healthcare, they should state clearly what exactly it is they're devolving: is it payment of salaries for healthcare workers, is it construction & equipping of healthcare facilities, is it procurement of medical supplies, hiring of new healthcare workers,....nini haswa? And if devolution ultimately becomes a reality, what'll be the role of the public service commission in so far as recruitment, deployment and promotion of HCWs is concerned? As it is so far, it's being said that those who wish to be transferred from one county to another will first have to resign from their present county then apply for employment in the new county to which they seek to be transferred, which obviously means securing employment then will not be guaranteed, this in a country with less than 3000 public doctors serving a population of 40million.

Why do we persist in complicating what should be relatively easy, simple and straight-forward procedures?
In light of all this, what'll become of the various CBAs signed with the central gov't and to which county gov'ts were not parties? And if county gov'ts are let free to hire & fire HCWs as well as determine their salary and emoluments, what will become of the marginal and remote areas/counties where no one may apply but whose residents are nevertheless needy? And what happens should a county be unable to pay its HCWs? And who'll take up the role of retirement benefits?
Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
4 Pages<1234>
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Copyright © 2026 Wazua.co.ke. All Rights Reserved.