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State of Poverty in Kenya
InnovateGuy
#101 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 9:10:17 PM
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murchr wrote:


Its not about owning but working on these farms. These old folks wouldn't hustle to know what other breeds of crops can do well on their farms. And what would be so wrong in working for your father anyway? I don't think any old man would have a problem if his son kept chicken, goats, cows etc. I know there's some "prestige" in being in Nairobi but ... haiko


Easier said than done. What would be the motivation of working on your father's land, if you cannot have a share of the benefits (profits)?

Cattle grazing and other ventures that do not need a lot of land can be done.
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Wakanyugi
#102 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 11:04:40 PM
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tycho wrote:
It's pure hypocrisy to blame or even prescribe remedies for the 'youth'.


Tycho: I used to think like you:

"Poor youth, they have had it so rough; they need a break; a shoulder to cry on, bla, bla, bla."

Until I realized that my parents did not believe in this philosophy and maybe that is why I turned out the way I did. Not so successful but not in Kamiti Maximum either.

And most youth just need a chance; not any of such patronizing nonsense.

Denying a young person, or any person, the chance to learn life on its own terms (no matter how harsh this seems) helps nobody.

After all, you will not always be there to lend that shoulder to cry on.

"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Rankaz13
#103 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2013 11:37:02 AM
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IMO, our land tenure system as well as financing models need a serious jolt. Firstly, let's not kid ourselves, agriculture (depending on what exactly you wanna do) can be quite capital intensive. For a young man/woman who's just starting out, I can imagine it certainly isn't very easy to secure financing (hata kama ni the 100k with which to get the first greenhouse) bearing in mind that most of them do not yet own the assets which most of our financiers insist on as security.

Secondly, agriculture is a really a long-term kind of gig. I have read of people who, when they began, experienced total crop failure in the first two seasons and even have friends who have experienced the same, what they kept going (I'm reminded of a famous quote here: If you're going through hell, keep going!). Thing is, bearing in mind the long-term nature of such an engagement, how many of our local financiers have products structured for the long-term? Financing such a venture on short-term capital is a sure recipe for disaster. Imagine for that farmer who experiences crop failure yet the financiers expect their loan repayments, what to do?

I really wish this youth fund idea was well structured and enforced, it has the potential to change lots of lives in a majorly positive way. As it is, some banks are quite reluctant to disburse the funds due to the minimal charges on the loans which, they argue, are not lucrative enough for them. I wonder, for how long we shall remain captive to such warped thinking.
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sitaki.kujulikana
#104 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2013 1:47:30 PM
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murchr wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Siringi wrote:


Visiting villages and hordes of idle youth lounging in the market places .. we need to think and come up with solutions PAP otherwise.. the problem is not the hot air Cordoms... Iko Chida papa hapa


On the other hand, if you read the DN piece today about the Mkulima Young farmers hub - about young people making real money from the land you begin to wonder.

Why would one be content with a town job that pays 10,000 a month when s/he can make 10 times that from the idle land in the village?

Our youth need some tough love.




It comes easy, pay 1000/- rent, buy cheap githeri cooked on the road side, buy mitumba clothes and drink some illicit brew for 20/ and survive. These conditions will drive many to the urban areas.

If 1. Renting would be higher due to taxes collected by GOK.
2.Mama githeri would pay taxes on her road side business thus driving the price of that plate up..
3. Tax mitumba heavily and encourage local industries like rivertext, and the production of cotton/silk.
4.Be tough on illicit pombe...
5.Streamline the transport sector
6.Subsidize agriculture etc etc
These young men would not see the need of flocking into towns and cities, which i think are too inviting.


wewe wachana na mitumba
Alba
#105 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2013 9:32:05 PM
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Government waste is a primary factor in creating poverty

For example, they are wasting KES 500,000,000 retirement home for the Kibaki built at Taxpayer expense. I do not know if the house has been gifted to him or it will be 'returned' to the Taxpayers in the future.

Kibaki awarded himself a Sh25 million send-off package as well as other retirement benefits. The Presidential Retirement Benefits Amendment Bill grants President Kibaki and his predecessor Daniel arap Moi a monthly pension, house allowance and a monthly entertainment allowance.
The president will also be paid pension at the rate of 80 percent of his final salary of Sh700,000 meaning he would earn Sh560,000 a month. In addition he will be paid 40 percent of the current salary as entertainment allowance which translates to some Sh280,000.




Instead of lavishing such gifts on two people who mismanaged the country, what if the govt instead invested heavily in infrastructure ?

Not only does that create direct jobs via construction, improved infrastructure makes it easier to do business which in turn creates jobs.

Also, some of that money can be used to inject capital into dying industries like textiles. Every government out there subsidizes its industries.

murchr
#106 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2013 10:09:37 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
murchr wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Siringi wrote:


Visiting villages and hordes of idle youth lounging in the market places .. we need to think and come up with solutions PAP otherwise.. the problem is not the hot air Cordoms... Iko Chida papa hapa


On the other hand, if you read the DN piece today about the Mkulima Young farmers hub - about young people making real money from the land you begin to wonder.

Why would one be content with a town job that pays 10,000 a month when s/he can make 10 times that from the idle land in the village?

Our youth need some tough love.




It comes easy, pay 1000/- rent, buy cheap githeri cooked on the road side, buy mitumba clothes and drink some illicit brew for 20/ and survive. These conditions will drive many to the urban areas.

If 1. Renting would be higher due to taxes collected by GOK.
2.Mama githeri would pay taxes on her road side business thus driving the price of that plate up..
3. Tax mitumba heavily and encourage local industries like rivertext, and the production of cotton/silk.
4.Be tough on illicit pombe...
5.Streamline the transport sector
6.Subsidize agriculture etc etc
These young men would not see the need of flocking into towns and cities, which i think are too inviting.


wewe wachana na mitumba


As long as we're comfortable driving 2nd hand cars(which are no cheap by any nature), 2nd hand computers, 2nd hand clothes incl under garments then dont expect any improvements to the state of poverty. An assembly plant can create a multitude of jobs both directly and indirectly. The clothing industry too.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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newfarer
#107 Posted : Monday, July 29, 2013 9:50:23 PM
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now world bank grants Kenya ksh13.2 billion loan for water projects in nyanza and central regions among others.
I wonder why north Eastern and ukambani have not been mentioned yet as you can see in the discussions in this thread they deserve water more.
punda amecheka
Mukiri
#108 Posted : Monday, July 29, 2013 10:53:11 PM
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newfarer wrote:
now world bank grants Kenya ksh13.2 billion loan for water projects in nyanza and central regions among others.
I wonder why north Eastern and ukambani have not been mentioned yet as you can see in the discussions in this thread they deserve water more.

Let the politics beginSad

Proverbs 19:21
Mukiri
#109 Posted : Monday, July 29, 2013 11:04:34 PM
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Alba wrote:
Government waste is a primary factor in creating poverty

For example, they are wasting KES 500,000,000 retirement home for the Kibaki built at Taxpayer expense. I do not know if the house has been gifted to him or it will be 'returned' to the Taxpayers in the future.

Kibaki awarded himself a Sh25 million send-off package as well as other retirement benefits. The Presidential Retirement Benefits Amendment Bill grants President Kibaki and his predecessor Daniel arap Moi a monthly pension, house allowance and a monthly entertainment allowance.
The president will also be paid pension at the rate of 80 percent of his final salary of Sh700,000 meaning he would earn Sh560,000 a month. In addition he will be paid 40 percent of the current salary as entertainment allowance which translates to some Sh280,000.




Instead of lavishing such gifts on two people who mismanaged the country, what if the govt instead invested heavily in infrastructure ?

Not only does that create direct jobs via construction, improved infrastructure makes it easier to do business which in turn creates jobs.

Also, some of that money can be used to inject capital into dying industries like textiles. Every government out there subsidizes its industries.


Sad ..or use that money to put up a hospital, university or even stadium and call it Kibz, in his honor.

I just had an epiphany! With dual citizenship, can we rally and have Obama become president here?

Proverbs 19:21
maka
#110 Posted : Monday, July 29, 2013 11:21:25 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
Alba wrote:
Government waste is a primary factor in creating poverty

For example, they are wasting KES 500,000,000 retirement home for the Kibaki built at Taxpayer expense. I do not know if the house has been gifted to him or it will be 'returned' to the Taxpayers in the future.

Kibaki awarded himself a Sh25 million send-off package as well as other retirement benefits. The Presidential Retirement Benefits Amendment Bill grants President Kibaki and his predecessor Daniel arap Moi a monthly pension, house allowance and a monthly entertainment allowance.
The president will also be paid pension at the rate of 80 percent of his final salary of Sh700,000 meaning he would earn Sh560,000 a month. In addition he will be paid 40 percent of the current salary as entertainment allowance which translates to some Sh280,000.




Instead of lavishing such gifts on two people who mismanaged the country, what if the govt instead invested heavily in infrastructure ?

Not only does that create direct jobs via construction, improved infrastructure makes it easier to do business which in turn creates jobs.

Also, some of that money can be used to inject capital into dying industries like textiles. Every government out there subsidizes its industries.


Sad ..or use that money to put up a hospital, university or even stadium and call it Kibz, in his honor.

I just had an epiphany! With dual citizenship, can we rally and have Obama become president here?


He is not from the right tribe he CANNOT be president here...
possunt quia posse videntur
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